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Kelly,    Why not use the situation to better some of the things.  OK the job will be gone and nothing you can do will change that at least right now.  Once you are married though not the same level as expected there will be income to pay living expenses.  Why not get back to school and get that degree.  Yep maybe you need to take a lower paying job to help make ends meet, but you can go to school no matter what your age.   I went back for my graduate degree at age 41.  A family friend who passed away recently went back and got her AA degree at age 79.  No matter what your age if you want you can do that.     Yep being out of work or working well below your income level can be tough, but it can be done.  I was layed off in one of the big bank mergers of the 90’s.  Took about 6 months to find other work and that only paid about 45% of my former income.  Now obviously it did help to have a spouse who was a full time school teacher, but even now today there are tens of thousands of debt still being paid off 10 years later.  Yep I did get back to my base career and salary level about 3 years after the layoff, but you know most of my family thought I would never work again cause I was 53 years old and in a computer technical field.     Make what you can to do the best you can.  Maybe you will find something you love during this time.  I know I was teaching at adult vocational school and found I really love teaching.  Though back at my primary career I still teach as a University adjunct faculty, but then had I not gone back to school and graduated at age 45 I could not do that cause you must have an advanced degree to teach university.      Some how and some way things will wind up being better in the end.  I always have believed that and no matter how bad things have gotten it has allways come true. Ian OOF — 8y 2w 4d 23:44 smoke-free, 99,993 cigs not smoked, $12,339.14 saved, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling >apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. >1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. >2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No >degree) >3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job >4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) >I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them >before) – BUT >do you think that they could really make me worse??????

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I agree with all of them Kelly.  With your finances going down the drain you really don’t need to be quickening that by wasting money on cigs do you?  You can use this for an excuse to restart and if it does happen don’t bash yourself, just try again.  Everybody is different. BUT I hope you won’t smoke ;-) Don’t know anything about the NRT’s, did it cold turkey!

Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No degree) 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them before) – BUT do you think that they could really make me worse??????

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ps.  Kelly –  a Feb quit date qualifies you for exclusive membership of the AS3 Kiwi Kwitters Feb 03 Quit Buddy group.  wanna join? — AS3 Kiwi Kwitters (Feb ‘03)   I have been smoke-free since 1 Feb 03 ~the above address is a spam trap~ ~email me at clarriegrundy at hot mail dot com~

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Thank you all for posting.  I made it though the night.  Working hard today too. What is this group and how does it work?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ps.  Kelly –  a Feb quit date qualifies you for exclusive membership > of the AS3 Kiwi Kwitters Feb 03 Quit Buddy group.  wanna join? > — > AS3 Kiwi Kwitters (Feb ‘03) > I have been smoke-free since 1 Feb 03 > ~the above address is a spam trap~ > ~email me at clarriegrundy at hot mail dot com~

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> Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No > degree) > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them > before) – BUT > do you think that they could really make me worse?????? > Will smoking make any of these problems go away,or even better?Try finding

a job today smelling like an ashtray..Plain &Simple-things can and will get worse if you smoke because then you will have another major problem .Best of luck BIG JIM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No > degree) > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them > before) – BUT > do you think that they could really make me worse?????? > sorry to answer your question,try not to but its better then smoking.

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Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No degree) 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them before) – BUT do you think that they could really make me worse??????

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Hi Kelly, > Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST.

Don’t blow your quit.  This might be TheLastOne.  Give yourself a chance at this quit. > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march.

Smoking won’t make your company stay open. > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No > degree)

Smoking won’t get you a new job or get you a degree. > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job

Smoking only robs you of money. > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed )

Smoking won’t help your wedding planning. > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them > before) – BUT > do you think that they could really make me worse??????

This is one question I can’t answer.  You are into 48 hours of your quit and I remember 48-72 hours was a rough time.  If you don’t want to take nic substitutes then don’t and try to do relaxation exercies or something else that will take stress away temporarily. Smoking won’t solve anything.  nothing. Joy One year, two months, two weeks, 4 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds. 13235 cigarettes not smoked, saving $3,308.78. Life saved: 6 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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Ditto on everything Joy said. Get your resume together and start hitting the bricks now. Call recruiters in your field. Call your competitors. Get serious right now…this will do the most good in your situation. And DON’T SMOKE!! — Lane, DOF and stuff www.bluethunder.org/quitterhome.html

: Hi Kelly, : : > Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling : > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. : : Don’t blow your quit.  This might be TheLastOne.  Give yourself a chance at : this quit. : : > : > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. : : Smoking won’t make your company stay open. : : > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No : > degree) : : Smoking won’t get you a new job or get you a degree. : : > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job : : Smoking only robs you of money. : : > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) : : Smoking won’t help your wedding planning. : : > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them : > before) – BUT : > do you think that they could really make me worse?????? : : This is one question I can’t answer.  You are into 48 hours of your quit and : I remember 48-72 hours was a rough time.  If you don’t want to take nic : substitutes then don’t and try to do relaxation exercies or something else : that will take stress away temporarily. : : Smoking won’t solve anything.  nothing. : : Joy : One year, two months, two weeks, 4 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds. 13235 : cigarettes not smoked, saving $3,308.78. Life saved: 6 weeks, 3 days, 22 : hours, 55 minutes. : : : : :

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>Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling >apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. >1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. >2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No >degree) >3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job >4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed )

Hi Kelly, In the first few days of my quit I remember feeling pretty stressed, panicked, desperate to be honest, over a work deadline I thought I was going to miss and end up losing my job over.  Not as bad a situation as you’re in, I know, but something not too dis-similar.  I remember thinking about smoking, roaming round the house panicking and stressing out and thinking ‘I would’ve been smoking now, mmm maybe I should smoke now’.  Then reminding myself that smoking wasn’t going to solve my problems.  And also that if I smoked again, I would feel worse, my heart would race more, I would have less oxygen etc, physically I would be less able to cope.   Anyway I made my deadline and didn’t get sacked and didn’t smoke :-) Kelly, ok so you are going to be out of work soon and that is really tough, but don’t assume the worst, OK?  Hell maybe you won’t get another similar job, but hey then again maybe you will.  I am terrible for assuming the worst case scenario about everything, but it never turns out quite as bad as I think.  Easy words for me to say I know Kelly, when your situation feels so bleak, but I hope they might be of some use to you. >I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them >before) – BUT >do you think that they could really make me worse??????

Well, you can only suck it and see – got to be better than smoking! Some people find that NRT makes them ill, if they start taking it once most of the nic is already out of their system.  I don’t see how the nic from NRT would have a worse effect on you (ie in terms of making you over emotional) than the nic from smoking, unless you were a light smoker and/or taking too high a dose of NRT in relation to your smoking level.   Personally, I swear by my NRT (lozenges) but YMMV.  Like I say, try one or more kinds of NRT, see if they suit you, see if they help any. Smoking isn’t going to solve anything, Kelly, and will make your financial situation worse.  Don’t smoke.   take care, love Clarrie 2 weeks 5 days + — ~the above address is a spam trap~ ~email me at clarriegrundy at hot mail dot com~

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> Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST.

Hi Kelly!  Nothing in your list will be made better with smoking.  Will NRT help?  You are so close to being totally free of that in your system it may not at all. What may help more than anything is some stress relief, deep breathing, maybe some yoga, meditation, etc.   You can do this. — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. 4M

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> Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No > degree) > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them > before) – BUT > do you think that they could really make me worse??????

Don’t smoke, Kelly!  Two days into your quit already….don’t blow it now. Do whatever you need to do to stay quit.  I used the patch and Welbutrin and the support in this group.  I wouldn’t hesitate to go back on the patch again if I ever got that close to busting my quit again.  I gave most of my patches away but have kept a handful for ‘emergencies’.  If you think NRT is something that will help you stay quit, then go get some.  Smoking again will not make your problems go away…it will just add to them.  Best wishes to you, Kelly!! Sally Closing in on 10 Months – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No degree) 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them before) – BUT do you think that they could really make me worse??????

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Hi Kelly, > Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST.

Don’t blow your quit.  This might be TheLastOne.  Give yourself a chance at this quit. > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march.

Smoking won’t make your company stay open. > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No > degree)

Smoking won’t get you a new job or get you a degree. > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job

Smoking only robs you of money. > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed )

Smoking won’t help your wedding planning. > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them > before) – BUT > do you think that they could really make me worse??????

This is one question I can’t answer.  You are into 48 hours of your quit and I remember 48-72 hours was a rough time.  If you don’t want to take nic substitutes then don’t and try to do relaxation exercies or something else that will take stress away temporarily. Smoking won’t solve anything.  nothing. Joy One year, two months, two weeks, 4 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds. 13235 cigarettes not smoked, saving $3,308.78. Life saved: 6 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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Ditto on everything Joy said. Get your resume together and start hitting the bricks now. Call recruiters in your field. Call your competitors. Get serious right now…this will do the most good in your situation. And DON’T SMOKE!! — Lane, DOF and stuff www.bluethunder.org/quitterhome.html

: Hi Kelly, : : > Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling : > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. : : Don’t blow your quit.  This might be TheLastOne.  Give yourself a chance at : this quit. : : > : > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. : : Smoking won’t make your company stay open. : : > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No : > degree) : : Smoking won’t get you a new job or get you a degree. : : > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job : : Smoking only robs you of money. : : > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) : : Smoking won’t help your wedding planning. : : > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them : > before) – BUT : > do you think that they could really make me worse?????? : : This is one question I can’t answer.  You are into 48 hours of your quit and : I remember 48-72 hours was a rough time.  If you don’t want to take nic : substitutes then don’t and try to do relaxation exercies or something else : that will take stress away temporarily. : : Smoking won’t solve anything.  nothing. : : Joy : One year, two months, two weeks, 4 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds. 13235 : cigarettes not smoked, saving $3,308.78. Life saved: 6 weeks, 3 days, 22 : hours, 55 minutes. : : : : :

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>Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling >apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. >1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. >2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No >degree) >3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job >4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed )

Hi Kelly, In the first few days of my quit I remember feeling pretty stressed, panicked, desperate to be honest, over a work deadline I thought I was going to miss and end up losing my job over.  Not as bad a situation as you’re in, I know, but something not too dis-similar.  I remember thinking about smoking, roaming round the house panicking and stressing out and thinking ‘I would’ve been smoking now, mmm maybe I should smoke now’.  Then reminding myself that smoking wasn’t going to solve my problems.  And also that if I smoked again, I would feel worse, my heart would race more, I would have less oxygen etc, physically I would be less able to cope.   Anyway I made my deadline and didn’t get sacked and didn’t smoke :-) Kelly, ok so you are going to be out of work soon and that is really tough, but don’t assume the worst, OK?  Hell maybe you won’t get another similar job, but hey then again maybe you will.  I am terrible for assuming the worst case scenario about everything, but it never turns out quite as bad as I think.  Easy words for me to say I know Kelly, when your situation feels so bleak, but I hope they might be of some use to you. >I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them >before) – BUT >do you think that they could really make me worse??????

Well, you can only suck it and see – got to be better than smoking! Some people find that NRT makes them ill, if they start taking it once most of the nic is already out of their system.  I don’t see how the nic from NRT would have a worse effect on you (ie in terms of making you over emotional) than the nic from smoking, unless you were a light smoker and/or taking too high a dose of NRT in relation to your smoking level.   Personally, I swear by my NRT (lozenges) but YMMV.  Like I say, try one or more kinds of NRT, see if they suit you, see if they help any. Smoking isn’t going to solve anything, Kelly, and will make your financial situation worse.  Don’t smoke.   take care, love Clarrie 2 weeks 5 days + — ~the above address is a spam trap~ ~email me at clarriegrundy at hot mail dot com~

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> Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST.

Hi Kelly!  Nothing in your list will be made better with smoking.  Will NRT help?  You are so close to being totally free of that in your system it may not at all. What may help more than anything is some stress relief, deep breathing, maybe some yoga, meditation, etc.   You can do this. — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. 4M

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> Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No > degree) > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them > before) – BUT > do you think that they could really make me worse??????

Don’t smoke, Kelly!  Two days into your quit already….don’t blow it now. Do whatever you need to do to stay quit.  I used the patch and Welbutrin and the support in this group.  I wouldn’t hesitate to go back on the patch again if I ever got that close to busting my quit again.  I gave most of my patches away but have kept a handful for ‘emergencies’.  If you think NRT is something that will help you stay quit, then go get some.  Smoking again will not make your problems go away…it will just add to them.  Best wishes to you, Kelly!! Sally Closing in on 10 Months – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I agree with all of them Kelly.  With your finances going down the drain you really don’t need to be quickening that by wasting money on cigs do you?  You can use this for an excuse to restart and if it does happen don’t bash yourself, just try again.  Everybody is different. BUT I hope you won’t smoke ;-) Don’t know anything about the NRT’s, did it cold turkey!

Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No degree) 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them before) – BUT do you think that they could really make me worse??????

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ps.  Kelly –  a Feb quit date qualifies you for exclusive membership of the AS3 Kiwi Kwitters Feb 03 Quit Buddy group.  wanna join? — AS3 Kiwi Kwitters (Feb ‘03)   I have been smoke-free since 1 Feb 03 ~the above address is a spam trap~ ~email me at clarriegrundy at hot mail dot com~

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Thank you all for posting.  I made it though the night.  Working hard today too. What is this group and how does it work?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ps.  Kelly –  a Feb quit date qualifies you for exclusive membership > of the AS3 Kiwi Kwitters Feb 03 Quit Buddy group.  wanna join? > — > AS3 Kiwi Kwitters (Feb ‘03) > I have been smoke-free since 1 Feb 03 > ~the above address is a spam trap~ > ~email me at clarriegrundy at hot mail dot com~

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> Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No > degree) > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them > before) – BUT > do you think that they could really make me worse?????? > Will smoking make any of these problems go away,or even better?Try finding

a job today smelling like an ashtray..Plain &Simple-things can and will get worse if you smoke because then you will have another major problem .Best of luck BIG JIM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling > apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. > 1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. > 2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No > degree) > 3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job > 4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) > I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them > before) – BUT > do you think that they could really make me worse?????? > sorry to answer your question,try not to but its better then smoking.

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Kelly,    Why not use the situation to better some of the things.  OK the job will be gone and nothing you can do will change that at least right now.  Once you are married though not the same level as expected there will be income to pay living expenses.  Why not get back to school and get that degree.  Yep maybe you need to take a lower paying job to help make ends meet, but you can go to school no matter what your age.   I went back for my graduate degree at age 41.  A family friend who passed away recently went back and got her AA degree at age 79.  No matter what your age if you want you can do that.     Yep being out of work or working well below your income level can be tough, but it can be done.  I was layed off in one of the big bank mergers of the 90’s.  Took about 6 months to find other work and that only paid about 45% of my former income.  Now obviously it did help to have a spouse who was a full time school teacher, but even now today there are tens of thousands of debt still being paid off 10 years later.  Yep I did get back to my base career and salary level about 3 years after the layoff, but you know most of my family thought I would never work again cause I was 53 years old and in a computer technical field.     Make what you can to do the best you can.  Maybe you will find something you love during this time.  I know I was teaching at adult vocational school and found I really love teaching.  Though back at my primary career I still teach as a University adjunct faculty, but then had I not gone back to school and graduated at age 45 I could not do that cause you must have an advanced degree to teach university.      Some how and some way things will wind up being better in the end.  I always have believed that and no matter how bad things have gotten it has allways come true. Ian OOF — 8y 2w 4d 23:44 smoke-free, 99,993 cigs not smoked, $12,339.14 saved, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi, I am just 2 days into my quit (my 50th ish quit) and I am falling >apart – my stress level is so I high I think I am gonna BURST. >1.  My company is closing and I will be out of work by the end of march. >2.  I am in a high level position that I will NOT be able to replace. (No >degree) >3.  I am looking down the nose of backrupcy – because of my loss of job >4.  Getting married in May (plans are really getting F&&%ed ) >I am not taking any Nic substitute (I was overly emotional using them >before) – BUT >do you think that they could really make me worse??????

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Summer,     you could always try the ‘Paula’ approach and be virtually beastly! Where’s that bat?  Having just ceased a major renovation (not finished – we ran out of cash, and I of energy) I know well the drag.  Especially when all around you are smoking like fucking chimneys.  Run amuck with an axe – it works a treat. Seriously, tell me more about "St John’s Wort" Iago/Martin One month, two weeks, three days, 16 hours, 29 minutes and 50 seconds. 1430 cigarettes not smoked, saving $498.33. Life saved: 4 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m > just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately > need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home > renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in > and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it > is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to > tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! > That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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> >Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in >(entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Some tips against depression: > Stay active. you cannot be depressed if you are doing something.

sure you can.  And I am active.  I do yoga and go to the gym and the depression still hangs over me.  Granted, it does reduce it. > Sit or stand bolt upright and breath deeply. Look straight forward. > It’s not possible to feel depressed in this posture.

Again….still depressed, just not as badly.  :)  But I understand where you are coming from. > Plan activities for the following weeks. Activities that have to be > done as well as recreational ones.

Does schoolwork count as activities?  LOL  I already have a very planned out week, from schoolwork to going to the gym. >I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and >48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 >minutes. > Wonderful meter. Way to go.

Thanks Karl and thanks for the advice.  Although none of it truly eliminates depression, it does help to ease it a bit.  And every tiny bit helps.  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 43 minutes and 5 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.83. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> >Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > Third day is the worst. Hang in there!

Oh I know it is Christa!  :)  I hung in and have been feeling pretty good ever since.  Thanks! I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 33 minutes and 19 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.81. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes > and 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 > hours, 5 minutes. > Not a bad rant, as rants go :)  Sorry about the depression but it sounds > like you have a good plan to get past it. > Day 3 was my personal worst.

Day 3 seems to be the worst day for everyone.  I knew it was coming, I guess part of me was really just hoping it wouldn’t.  Ah well…it’s passed now and I feel pretty good.  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 34 minutes and 58 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.81. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> Sounds familiar, I felt just like that! > This (mood), too, shall pass.

Oh it did!  :) > Get back on the SJW, and give it time, it can take a few weeks to start > working.

I know.  I’ve been off and on it for almost a year now and I know how well it works.  I take it in combination with b6 and b12 and they work wonders. I still am not back on it though.  I need to get up to the drugstore and buy more.  I think I’ll do that this week. > Maybe take the patch off at night, for better sleep. Or (this is just an > idea I thought of) cut the patch in half, put half on before bed and the > other half on when you wake up (if you’re one of those that need the > patch on while you sleep).

The dreams have passed.  I’m finally sleeping through the night.  Thank gawd.  I have only had one nightmare with the patch so far…and it was a doozy.  I woke up to a soaked pillow and couldn’t seem to stop sobbing.  I don’t ever remember having a dream like that before. > Visualize sawing the nicodemon in half.

Hmm…the "nicodemon" idea never really worked for me.  I had problems removing my problems from myself and placing them on the shoulders of some infamous "demon". > Cry.

Oh I’ve done lots of that!  :) > Post.

Now why didn’t I read this sooner?  I’ve been out of AS3 for over a week and I have a zillion and one posts to catch up on.  Expect a flood of posts from me tonight.  :) > You’ll feel better :)

I already do.  Thanks Kita. I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 40 minutes and 11 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.82. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> Summer, if you are afraid of the needles find an acupuncturist that does > "colorpuncture" Mine does both and btw – the needles do not hurt. I don’t > feel them at all. Yoga should work. I just finished a beginner’s class after > 4 yrs. of absence from practicing yoga because I had a spinal fusion in 1998 > and was forbidden to use any exercises that involved the neck. You are > correct that it helps. I love the breathing exercises as they, if done > properly, help calm the mind. Starting my advanced class this coming Tuesday > this time.

Wow PD…it’s taken me long enough to get back to this…I’m so sorry.  I just haven’t had time lately to be reading and posting much and now have 1700+ messages to catch up on!  Good lord! I made a note of "colourpuncture" and will definitely look into it if I ever feel like I need it.  I have my good and my bad days, although lately it’s been more good than bad.  :)  I don’t go to a yoga class or anything like that though, I just do it in my own home with a video.  One day when I feel comfortable with it, I’ll join a yoga class.  I don’t know if it do it properly or well…but it works wonders for calming me down.  :) Thanks for the info on acupuncture PD!  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 32 minutes and 7 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.80. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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LOL I can just imagine you peeing out the window! hehehehe… Sorry..tired mind, much vodka…just tickled my funnybone! Paula :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Summer P sneezed and it sounded like: >> sounds like recovery. >> the big thing is…you’re talking about it! > If I didn’t talk about it (even to just myself) I think I’d explode > Frank. I need to get my shitty moods out of my system or I > turndownright evil.  :) > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 38 > minutes and 50 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.48. Life > saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. > ayup. I’m all about that reading and posting thing hehehe folks’ve probly > figured out my posting goes up when my resistance goes down. It keeps the > fingers busy. > Today while road tripping to one of my stores I noticed a roaring noise in my > left ear and realized I’d lowered the window a bit when I got in the car… as I > always did when I got in, after all, the smoke had to go somewhere didn’t it? > LOL I rolled up the window and suddenly the heat in the car seemed to work > better hehehe since it weren’t all goin’ out they window I imagine lol. > I had a chuckle, then a tic-tack, then a sip of water and another and another… > I may never be able to make a long trip again in the car… that or I’ll be > lowering the window for a totally different reason LOL. Toooooo much water. > I haven’t smoked in: Two days, 22 hours, 59 minutes. That comes to 59 cigarettes > not smoked, saving me a whopping $11.09. > — > Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html >         http://simplerich.diaryland.com/ > "You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people > can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage." >         — (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

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summer, why not get back on your st. johns wort? why not take that patch off before bed? keep posting and bitching about that damn — read and post daily, it works! rosie The past gives us experience and memories; the present gives us challenges and opportunities; the future gives us vision and hope.  –William Arthur Ward

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> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now).

<snip> > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~

Hang in there, Summer.  It’ll get better, you know.  All you have to do is not smoke and do all those things that help distract you from it.   You’re on your worst day today, IMHO. *hugs* —  BinnieBee – A Proud Old Fogie!         %%       (——)      ( >__< )      ^^ ~~ ^^      ~f3as3~ Quit since 11/01/2001 http://photos.yahoo.com/binniebeeus

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Summer P sneezed and it sounded like: > sounds like recovery. > the big thing is…you’re talking about it! > If I didn’t talk about it (even to just myself) I think I’d explode > Frank. I need to get my shitty moods out of my system or I > turndownright evil.  :) > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 38 > minutes and 50 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.48. Life > saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes.

ayup. I’m all about that reading and posting thing hehehe folks’ve probly figured out my posting goes up when my resistance goes down. It keeps the fingers busy. Today while road tripping to one of my stores I noticed a roaring noise in my left ear and realized I’d lowered the window a bit when I got in the car… as I always did when I got in, after all, the smoke had to go somewhere didn’t it? LOL I rolled up the window and suddenly the heat in the car seemed to work better hehehe since it weren’t all goin’ out they window I imagine lol. I had a chuckle, then a tic-tack, then a sip of water and another and another… I may never be able to make a long trip again in the car… that or I’ll be lowering the window for a totally different reason LOL. Toooooo much water. I haven’t smoked in: Two days, 22 hours, 59 minutes. That comes to 59 cigarettes not smoked, saving me a whopping $11.09. — Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html         http://simplerich.diaryland.com/ "You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage."         — (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

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Sounds familiar, I felt just like that! This (mood), too, shall pass. Get back on the SJW, and give it time, it can take a few weeks to start working. Maybe take the patch off at night, for better sleep. Or (this is just an idea I thought of) cut the patch in half, put half on before bed and the other half on when you wake up (if you’re one of those that need the patch on while you sleep). Visualize sawing the nicodemon in half. Cry. Post. You’ll feel better :) Kita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m > just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately > need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home > renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in > and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it > is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to > tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! > That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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>Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in >(entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now).

Some tips against depression: Stay active. you cannot be depressed if you are doing something. Sit or stand bolt upright and breath deeply. Look straight forward. It’s not possible to feel depressed in this posture. Plan activities for the following weeks. Activities that have to be done as well as recreational ones. >I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and >48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 >minutes.

Wonderful meter. Way to go. Karl

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Hugs for Summer….. ((((((((((((Summer)))))))))))) cigarettes suck quitting sucks It will soon be over, and the sun will shine again, the clouds will blow away, and you will be singing and dancing your way down the street again! With hope and heart, Kathleen *HOF+ — The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say.   ~ J.R.R. : Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in : (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). : Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, : but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? : I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for : awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m : just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately : need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home : renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in : and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it : is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to : tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea : retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools! DUH! : That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. : : Just felt like complaining…sorry all. : : I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and : 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 : minutes. : : — : Cheers : ~Summer~ : * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * : See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg : * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * : :

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> Hi, Summer!

Hi Giggles! > Get back on the wort, sooner rather than later, and keep doing that Yoga you > talked about.  Meditation has been great for my depression.

Just did a round of yoga about 30 minutes ago and am going to go to the gym soon  too.  Feeling a little better now.  It just sort of snuck up on me today.  But that’s how it always happens for me…fine one minute and really low the next.  I’ll get back on the wort tonight…my miracle mix of pills! hehe > Nice rant :)

More like a whine, but we can call it a rant if you want.  ;) Thanks elle!  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 44 minutes and 39 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.50. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> > Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick

in <snip> > Complain away.  Typing, gabbing, whining, open jars of pickles. . .all > things that distract us from us.  Anything that gets us away from the > unhappy part of our brain is a good thing.  Deep breathing and mindless > staring are great.  Mindless anything for that matter, repetitious tapping > of a pencil. . .drives others crazy, but, what the heck, share your hell.

Ah…the ever elusive Alan finally pokes his head in!  Nice to see you around!  I’ve kept myself busy this afternoon and I’m coming up again…just sometimes sees so much easier to crawl into bed and just sleep for a day. But that doesn’t beat it, it just puts it on hold for a while.  Keeping busy helps for me.  Off to the gym in a bit.  Thanks for the input Alan…poke in here a little more often. I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 47 minutes and 29 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.50. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Alan53 > (Peering out from his own hell, blinks, scurries back to familiar ground) > 2yr + + + > smoking is no longer part of my equation, or my hell > :-)

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Summer, if you are afraid of the needles find an acupuncturist that does "colorpuncture" Mine does both and btw – the needles do not hurt. I don’t feel them at all. Yoga should work. I just finished a beginner’s class after 4 yrs. of absence from practicing yoga because I had a spinal fusion in 1998 and was forbidden to use any exercises that involved the neck. You are correct that it helps. I love the breathing exercises as they, if done properly, help calm the mind. Starting my advanced class this coming Tuesday this time. Purpledawn Two days, 17 hours, 6 minutes and 52 seconds. 54 cigarettes not smoked, saving $7.73. Life saved: 4 hours, 30 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Same here, but I expected it. Have not motivation to do anything. As it > happened I had a noon appointment with the acupuncturist and he did a > treatment for anxiety for over an hour. It was , as always, very relaxing > and I feel 100 percent better right now. So now I will go and clean out > the > basement because the painter will be here on Monday to do his thing and > after that I will take a much deserved nap. > Summer, have you ever checked out acupuncture? I get a treatment every 2 > weeks . It really works. > I expected it too PD, but I think a part of me was REALLY hoping it wouldn’t > happen.  Although I remember my last quit and it kicked in around the 2nd or > 3rd day too (although I wasn’t on st johns wort then so it was much much > worse).  I’m heading out to the gym in a little while and that should help a > bit.  I just did a little bit of yoga and am actually feeling a little bit > better.  Yoga’s awesome.  I just started it, but it’s so calming.  I’ve > never tried acupuncture though.  I have thought of it, but I REALLY really > hate needles…so that keeps me well away from it.  Although if it ever gets > too bad I’ll look into it. > Thanks PD!  :) > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 42 minutes and 9 > seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.49. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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> Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes > and 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 > hours, 5 minutes.

Not a bad rant, as rants go :)  Sorry about the depression but it sounds like you have a good plan to get past it. Day 3 was my personal worst. — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. http://mcgonzalez.home.att.net/meter.html

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Summer P sneezed and it sounded like: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to > kick in (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a > week now). Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the > patch.  I sleep yes, but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I > wake up after every dream?? I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel > like smacking someone around for awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit > is in no danger because of this, I’m just feeling so totally drained > and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately need some sleep but can’t > because I promised to help mom do some home renovations.  She’s too > nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in and said I’d do > the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it is….this > is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to tell > her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools! > DUH! That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 > minutes and 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life > saved: 2 hours, 5 minutes.

Like the meter. :) Hate depression. I’m starting to think that may be what trips me up. I’m too stupid on my own, but I had help with this one hehehe. My previous three quits all made it until fall… then I started smoking and I’m SO not a fall person. I’m not clinical in my depression, but it’s definitely blue funk time until the first snow fall or good hard frost and then I tend to snap out of it. lol I’m with you on the patch dreams thing. usually the dreams are merely weird, but maybe due to work stress they’re downright unpleasant this time… and I too seem to be waking up after each one. *sigh* Hang tough. I like seein’ yer meter. :) — Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html         http://simplerich.diaryland.com/ "You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage."         — (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  . . . > . . .Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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Complain away.  Typing, gabbing, whining, open jars of pickles. . .all things that distract us from us.  Anything that gets us away from the unhappy part of our brain is a good thing.  Deep breathing and mindless staring are great.  Mindless anything for that matter, repetitious tapping of a pencil. . .drives others crazy, but, what the heck, share your hell. Alan53 (Peering out from his own hell, blinks, scurries back to familiar ground) 2yr + + + smoking is no longer part of my equation, or my hell :-)

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> sounds like recovery. > the big thing is…you’re talking about it!

If I didn’t talk about it (even to just myself) I think I’d explode Frank. I need to get my shitty moods out of my system or I turndownright evil.  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 38 minutes and 50 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.48. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> Same here, but I expected it. Have not motivation to do anything. As it > happened I had a noon appointment with the acupuncturist and he did a > treatment for anxiety for over an hour. It was , as always, very relaxing > and I feel 100 percent better right now. So now I will go and clean out the > basement because the painter will be here on Monday to do his thing and > after that I will take a much deserved nap. > Summer, have you ever checked out acupuncture? I get a treatment every 2 > weeks . It really works.

I expected it too PD, but I think a part of me was REALLY hoping it wouldn’t happen.  Although I remember my last quit and it kicked in around the 2nd or 3rd day too (although I wasn’t on st johns wort then so it was much much worse).  I’m heading out to the gym in a little while and that should help a bit.  I just did a little bit of yoga and am actually feeling a little bit better.  Yoga’s awesome.  I just started it, but it’s so calming.  I’ve never tried acupuncture though.  I have thought of it, but I REALLY really hate needles…so that keeps me well away from it.  Although if it ever gets too bad I’ll look into it. Thanks PD!  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 42 minutes and 9 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.49. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Hi, Summer! Get back on the wort, sooner rather than later, and keep doing that Yoga you talked about.  Meditation has been great for my depression. Nice rant :) hugs, elle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m > just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately > need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home > renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in > and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it > is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to > tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! > That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. Just felt like complaining…sorry all. I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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sounds like recovery. the big thing is…you’re talking about it! odat, frank Five years, four months, 13 hours, 36 minutes and 40 seconds. 97428 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14,614.56. Life saved: 48 weeks, 2 days, 7 hours, 0 minutes.

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Same here, but I expected it. Have not motivation to do anything. As it happened I had a noon appointment with the acupuncturist and he did a treatment for anxiety for over an hour. It was , as always, very relaxing and I feel 100 percent better right now. So now I will go and clean out the basement because the painter will be here on Monday to do his thing and after that I will take a much deserved nap. Summer, have you ever checked out acupuncture? I get a treatment every 2 weeks . It really works. Purpledawn Two days, 13 hours, 57 minutes and 34 seconds. 51 cigarettes not smoked, saving $7.36. Life saved: 4 hours, 15 minutes.

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Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. Just felt like complaining…sorry all. I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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sounds like recovery. the big thing is…you’re talking about it! odat, frank Five years, four months, 13 hours, 36 minutes and 40 seconds. 97428 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14,614.56. Life saved: 48 weeks, 2 days, 7 hours, 0 minutes.

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Same here, but I expected it. Have not motivation to do anything. As it happened I had a noon appointment with the acupuncturist and he did a treatment for anxiety for over an hour. It was , as always, very relaxing and I feel 100 percent better right now. So now I will go and clean out the basement because the painter will be here on Monday to do his thing and after that I will take a much deserved nap. Summer, have you ever checked out acupuncture? I get a treatment every 2 weeks . It really works. Purpledawn Two days, 13 hours, 57 minutes and 34 seconds. 51 cigarettes not smoked, saving $7.36. Life saved: 4 hours, 15 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m > just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately > need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home > renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in > and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it > is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to > tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! > That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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Hi, Summer! Get back on the wort, sooner rather than later, and keep doing that Yoga you talked about.  Meditation has been great for my depression. Nice rant :) hugs, elle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m > just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately > need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home > renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in > and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it > is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to > tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! > That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  . . . > . . .Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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Complain away.  Typing, gabbing, whining, open jars of pickles. . .all things that distract us from us.  Anything that gets us away from the unhappy part of our brain is a good thing.  Deep breathing and mindless staring are great.  Mindless anything for that matter, repetitious tapping of a pencil. . .drives others crazy, but, what the heck, share your hell. Alan53 (Peering out from his own hell, blinks, scurries back to familiar ground) 2yr + + + smoking is no longer part of my equation, or my hell :-)

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> sounds like recovery. > the big thing is…you’re talking about it!

If I didn’t talk about it (even to just myself) I think I’d explode Frank. I need to get my shitty moods out of my system or I turndownright evil.  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 38 minutes and 50 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.48. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> Same here, but I expected it. Have not motivation to do anything. As it > happened I had a noon appointment with the acupuncturist and he did a > treatment for anxiety for over an hour. It was , as always, very relaxing > and I feel 100 percent better right now. So now I will go and clean out the > basement because the painter will be here on Monday to do his thing and > after that I will take a much deserved nap. > Summer, have you ever checked out acupuncture? I get a treatment every 2 > weeks . It really works.

I expected it too PD, but I think a part of me was REALLY hoping it wouldn’t happen.  Although I remember my last quit and it kicked in around the 2nd or 3rd day too (although I wasn’t on st johns wort then so it was much much worse).  I’m heading out to the gym in a little while and that should help a bit.  I just did a little bit of yoga and am actually feeling a little bit better.  Yoga’s awesome.  I just started it, but it’s so calming.  I’ve never tried acupuncture though.  I have thought of it, but I REALLY really hate needles…so that keeps me well away from it.  Although if it ever gets too bad I’ll look into it. Thanks PD!  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 42 minutes and 9 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.49. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> Hi, Summer!

Hi Giggles! > Get back on the wort, sooner rather than later, and keep doing that Yoga you > talked about.  Meditation has been great for my depression.

Just did a round of yoga about 30 minutes ago and am going to go to the gym soon  too.  Feeling a little better now.  It just sort of snuck up on me today.  But that’s how it always happens for me…fine one minute and really low the next.  I’ll get back on the wort tonight…my miracle mix of pills! hehe > Nice rant :)

More like a whine, but we can call it a rant if you want.  ;) Thanks elle!  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 44 minutes and 39 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.50. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> > Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick

in <snip> > Complain away.  Typing, gabbing, whining, open jars of pickles. . .all > things that distract us from us.  Anything that gets us away from the > unhappy part of our brain is a good thing.  Deep breathing and mindless > staring are great.  Mindless anything for that matter, repetitious tapping > of a pencil. . .drives others crazy, but, what the heck, share your hell.

Ah…the ever elusive Alan finally pokes his head in!  Nice to see you around!  I’ve kept myself busy this afternoon and I’m coming up again…just sometimes sees so much easier to crawl into bed and just sleep for a day. But that doesn’t beat it, it just puts it on hold for a while.  Keeping busy helps for me.  Off to the gym in a bit.  Thanks for the input Alan…poke in here a little more often. I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 47 minutes and 29 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.50. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Alan53 > (Peering out from his own hell, blinks, scurries back to familiar ground) > 2yr + + + > smoking is no longer part of my equation, or my hell > :-)

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Summer, if you are afraid of the needles find an acupuncturist that does "colorpuncture" Mine does both and btw – the needles do not hurt. I don’t feel them at all. Yoga should work. I just finished a beginner’s class after 4 yrs. of absence from practicing yoga because I had a spinal fusion in 1998 and was forbidden to use any exercises that involved the neck. You are correct that it helps. I love the breathing exercises as they, if done properly, help calm the mind. Starting my advanced class this coming Tuesday this time. Purpledawn Two days, 17 hours, 6 minutes and 52 seconds. 54 cigarettes not smoked, saving $7.73. Life saved: 4 hours, 30 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Same here, but I expected it. Have not motivation to do anything. As it > happened I had a noon appointment with the acupuncturist and he did a > treatment for anxiety for over an hour. It was , as always, very relaxing > and I feel 100 percent better right now. So now I will go and clean out > the > basement because the painter will be here on Monday to do his thing and > after that I will take a much deserved nap. > Summer, have you ever checked out acupuncture? I get a treatment every 2 > weeks . It really works. > I expected it too PD, but I think a part of me was REALLY hoping it wouldn’t > happen.  Although I remember my last quit and it kicked in around the 2nd or > 3rd day too (although I wasn’t on st johns wort then so it was much much > worse).  I’m heading out to the gym in a little while and that should help a > bit.  I just did a little bit of yoga and am actually feeling a little bit > better.  Yoga’s awesome.  I just started it, but it’s so calming.  I’ve > never tried acupuncture though.  I have thought of it, but I REALLY really > hate needles…so that keeps me well away from it.  Although if it ever gets > too bad I’ll look into it. > Thanks PD!  :) > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 42 minutes and 9 > seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.49. Life saved: 2 hours, 10 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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> Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes > and 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 > hours, 5 minutes.

Not a bad rant, as rants go :)  Sorry about the depression but it sounds like you have a good plan to get past it. Day 3 was my personal worst. — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. http://mcgonzalez.home.att.net/meter.html

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Sounds familiar, I felt just like that! This (mood), too, shall pass. Get back on the SJW, and give it time, it can take a few weeks to start working. Maybe take the patch off at night, for better sleep. Or (this is just an idea I thought of) cut the patch in half, put half on before bed and the other half on when you wake up (if you’re one of those that need the patch on while you sleep). Visualize sawing the nicodemon in half. Cry. Post. You’ll feel better :) Kita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m > just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately > need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home > renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in > and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it > is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to > tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! > That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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>Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in >(entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now).

Some tips against depression: Stay active. you cannot be depressed if you are doing something. Sit or stand bolt upright and breath deeply. Look straight forward. It’s not possible to feel depressed in this posture. Plan activities for the following weeks. Activities that have to be done as well as recreational ones. >I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and >48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 >minutes.

Wonderful meter. Way to go. Karl

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Hugs for Summer….. ((((((((((((Summer)))))))))))) cigarettes suck quitting sucks It will soon be over, and the sun will shine again, the clouds will blow away, and you will be singing and dancing your way down the street again! With hope and heart, Kathleen *HOF+ — The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say.   ~ J.R.R. : Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in : (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). : Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, : but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? : I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for : awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m : just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately : need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home : renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in : and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it : is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to : tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea : retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools! DUH! : That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. : : Just felt like complaining…sorry all. : : I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and : 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 : minutes. : : — : Cheers : ~Summer~ : * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * : See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg : * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * : :

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Summer P sneezed and it sounded like: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to > kick in (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a > week now). Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the > patch.  I sleep yes, but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I > wake up after every dream?? I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel > like smacking someone around for awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit > is in no danger because of this, I’m just feeling so totally drained > and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately need some sleep but can’t > because I promised to help mom do some home renovations.  She’s too > nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in and said I’d do > the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it is….this > is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to tell > her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools! > DUH! That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 > minutes and 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life > saved: 2 hours, 5 minutes.

Like the meter. :) Hate depression. I’m starting to think that may be what trips me up. I’m too stupid on my own, but I had help with this one hehehe. My previous three quits all made it until fall… then I started smoking and I’m SO not a fall person. I’m not clinical in my depression, but it’s definitely blue funk time until the first snow fall or good hard frost and then I tend to snap out of it. lol I’m with you on the patch dreams thing. usually the dreams are merely weird, but maybe due to work stress they’re downright unpleasant this time… and I too seem to be waking up after each one. *sigh* Hang tough. I like seein’ yer meter. :) — Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html         http://simplerich.diaryland.com/ "You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage."         — (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

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> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now).

<snip> > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~

Hang in there, Summer.  It’ll get better, you know.  All you have to do is not smoke and do all those things that help distract you from it.   You’re on your worst day today, IMHO. *hugs* —  BinnieBee – A Proud Old Fogie!         %%       (——)      ( >__< )      ^^ ~~ ^^      ~f3as3~ Quit since 11/01/2001 http://photos.yahoo.com/binniebeeus

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Summer P sneezed and it sounded like: > sounds like recovery. > the big thing is…you’re talking about it! > If I didn’t talk about it (even to just myself) I think I’d explode > Frank. I need to get my shitty moods out of my system or I > turndownright evil.  :) > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 38 > minutes and 50 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.48. Life > saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes.

ayup. I’m all about that reading and posting thing hehehe folks’ve probly figured out my posting goes up when my resistance goes down. It keeps the fingers busy. Today while road tripping to one of my stores I noticed a roaring noise in my left ear and realized I’d lowered the window a bit when I got in the car… as I always did when I got in, after all, the smoke had to go somewhere didn’t it? LOL I rolled up the window and suddenly the heat in the car seemed to work better hehehe since it weren’t all goin’ out they window I imagine lol. I had a chuckle, then a tic-tack, then a sip of water and another and another… I may never be able to make a long trip again in the car… that or I’ll be lowering the window for a totally different reason LOL. Toooooo much water. I haven’t smoked in: Two days, 22 hours, 59 minutes. That comes to 59 cigarettes not smoked, saving me a whopping $11.09. — Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html         http://simplerich.diaryland.com/ "You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage."         — (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

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summer, why not get back on your st. johns wort? why not take that patch off before bed? keep posting and bitching about that damn — read and post daily, it works! rosie The past gives us experience and memories; the present gives us challenges and opportunities; the future gives us vision and hope.  –William Arthur Ward

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m > just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately > need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home > renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in > and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it > is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to > tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! > That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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LOL I can just imagine you peeing out the window! hehehehe… Sorry..tired mind, much vodka…just tickled my funnybone! Paula :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Summer P sneezed and it sounded like: >> sounds like recovery. >> the big thing is…you’re talking about it! > If I didn’t talk about it (even to just myself) I think I’d explode > Frank. I need to get my shitty moods out of my system or I > turndownright evil.  :) > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 15 hours, 38 > minutes and 50 seconds. 26 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.48. Life > saved: 2 hours, 10 minutes. > ayup. I’m all about that reading and posting thing hehehe folks’ve probly > figured out my posting goes up when my resistance goes down. It keeps the > fingers busy. > Today while road tripping to one of my stores I noticed a roaring noise in my > left ear and realized I’d lowered the window a bit when I got in the car… as I > always did when I got in, after all, the smoke had to go somewhere didn’t it? > LOL I rolled up the window and suddenly the heat in the car seemed to work > better hehehe since it weren’t all goin’ out they window I imagine lol. > I had a chuckle, then a tic-tack, then a sip of water and another and another… > I may never be able to make a long trip again in the car… that or I’ll be > lowering the window for a totally different reason LOL. Toooooo much water. > I haven’t smoked in: Two days, 22 hours, 59 minutes. That comes to 59 cigarettes > not smoked, saving me a whopping $11.09. > — > Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html >         http://simplerich.diaryland.com/ > "You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people > can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage." >         — (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

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Summer,     you could always try the ‘Paula’ approach and be virtually beastly! Where’s that bat?  Having just ceased a major renovation (not finished – we ran out of cash, and I of energy) I know well the drag.  Especially when all around you are smoking like fucking chimneys.  Run amuck with an axe – it works a treat. Seriously, tell me more about "St John’s Wort" Iago/Martin One month, two weeks, three days, 16 hours, 29 minutes and 50 seconds. 1430 cigarettes not smoked, saving $498.33. Life saved: 4 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > (entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Doesn’t help that I’m not sleeping worth a damn on the patch.  I sleep yes, > but the bloody dreams!!  And why is it that I wake up after every dream?? > I’m depressed, I’m moody and I just feel like smacking someone around for > awhile.  Don’t get me wrong, my quit is in no danger because of this, I’m > just feeling so totally drained and it’s driving me nuts.  I desperately > need some sleep but can’t because I promised to help mom do some home > renovations.  She’s too nervous to use the miter saw so I sort of stepped in > and said I’d do the cutting for her.  I didn’t realize what a big job it > is….this is day three of the repairs and I’d like nothing better but to > tell her what she can do with her bloody miter saw.  Yeah really good idea > retard, I’m tired and worn out and you want me to use power tools!  DUH! > That’s ok..I didn’t like my fingers anyway. > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and > 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 > minutes. > — > Cheers > ~Summer~ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > See me here:

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> Summer, if you are afraid of the needles find an acupuncturist that does > "colorpuncture" Mine does both and btw – the needles do not hurt. I don’t > feel them at all. Yoga should work. I just finished a beginner’s class after > 4 yrs. of absence from practicing yoga because I had a spinal fusion in 1998 > and was forbidden to use any exercises that involved the neck. You are > correct that it helps. I love the breathing exercises as they, if done > properly, help calm the mind. Starting my advanced class this coming Tuesday > this time.

Wow PD…it’s taken me long enough to get back to this…I’m so sorry.  I just haven’t had time lately to be reading and posting much and now have 1700+ messages to catch up on!  Good lord! I made a note of "colourpuncture" and will definitely look into it if I ever feel like I need it.  I have my good and my bad days, although lately it’s been more good than bad.  :)  I don’t go to a yoga class or anything like that though, I just do it in my own home with a video.  One day when I feel comfortable with it, I’ll join a yoga class.  I don’t know if it do it properly or well…but it works wonders for calming me down.  :) Thanks for the info on acupuncture PD!  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 32 minutes and 7 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.80. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> >Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in > Third day is the worst. Hang in there!

Oh I know it is Christa!  :)  I hung in and have been feeling pretty good ever since.  Thanks! I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 33 minutes and 19 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.81. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> > Just felt like complaining…sorry all. > I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes > and 48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 > hours, 5 minutes. > Not a bad rant, as rants go :)  Sorry about the depression but it sounds > like you have a good plan to get past it. > Day 3 was my personal worst.

Day 3 seems to be the worst day for everyone.  I knew it was coming, I guess part of me was really just hoping it wouldn’t.  Ah well…it’s passed now and I feel pretty good.  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 34 minutes and 58 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.81. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> Sounds familiar, I felt just like that! > This (mood), too, shall pass.

Oh it did!  :) > Get back on the SJW, and give it time, it can take a few weeks to start > working.

I know.  I’ve been off and on it for almost a year now and I know how well it works.  I take it in combination with b6 and b12 and they work wonders. I still am not back on it though.  I need to get up to the drugstore and buy more.  I think I’ll do that this week. > Maybe take the patch off at night, for better sleep. Or (this is just an > idea I thought of) cut the patch in half, put half on before bed and the > other half on when you wake up (if you’re one of those that need the > patch on while you sleep).

The dreams have passed.  I’m finally sleeping through the night.  Thank gawd.  I have only had one nightmare with the patch so far…and it was a doozy.  I woke up to a soaked pillow and couldn’t seem to stop sobbing.  I don’t ever remember having a dream like that before. > Visualize sawing the nicodemon in half.

Hmm…the "nicodemon" idea never really worked for me.  I had problems removing my problems from myself and placing them on the shoulders of some infamous "demon". > Cry.

Oh I’ve done lots of that!  :) > Post.

Now why didn’t I read this sooner?  I’ve been out of AS3 for over a week and I have a zillion and one posts to catch up on.  Expect a flood of posts from me tonight.  :) > You’ll feel better :)

I already do.  Thanks Kita. I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 40 minutes and 11 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.82. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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> >Well…two and a half days in and the bloody depression decides to kick in >(entirely my fault…been off my st johns wort for over a week now). > Some tips against depression: > Stay active. you cannot be depressed if you are doing something.

sure you can.  And I am active.  I do yoga and go to the gym and the depression still hangs over me.  Granted, it does reduce it. > Sit or stand bolt upright and breath deeply. Look straight forward. > It’s not possible to feel depressed in this posture.

Again….still depressed, just not as badly.  :)  But I understand where you are coming from. > Plan activities for the following weeks. Activities that have to be > done as well as recreational ones.

Does schoolwork count as activities?  LOL  I already have a very planned out week, from schoolwork to going to the gym. >I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and >48 seconds. 25 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8.11. Life saved: 2 hours, 5 >minutes. > Wonderful meter. Way to go.

Thanks Karl and thanks for the advice.  Although none of it truly eliminates depression, it does help to ease it a bit.  And every tiny bit helps.  :) I have not smoked a nasty cigarette for Two weeks, 22 hours, 43 minutes and 5 seconds. 149 cigarettes not smoked, saving $47.83. Life saved: 12 hours, 25 minutes. — Cheers ~Summer~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See me here: http://www.geocities.com/summer_soundbytes/fuzzles/niagara2.jpg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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>Thanks from me too.  As you can see, there are three groups of people in this >NG (faith in Western doctors, no faith in Western doctors, and middle of the >road).  For myself, my health got better when I pursued more alternative >approaches.  I honestly believe that there are many things that are not easily >explained by Science (and I worked as an engineer for eleven years).  I try not >to come to this NG to change peoples minds – I don’t think that is possible. >But if someone wants some alternative input, I give my opinion.   >Thanks again for your inputs. >Diana

I’m glad you and Liz found that information useful.  More to come. donoli.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here’s another chi gong exercise for those who are interested.  As I > said in another post, the idea is to absorb the chi which is the > energy that keeps us alive.  The exercise can be done standing or > sitting.  There were times I had to do them sitting because I was just > too weak to get off the couch.  If you sit, make yourself a tripod > using your two feet and your talbone.  If you stand, round your > shoulders slightly, bend your knees slightly and relax your entire > body. > As you inhale, bring your arms out to the side, palms up and raise > them over your head but don’t let them touch.  Stop when they are > facing each other about 8 inches apart.  As you exhale, bring them > down in front of you as if you are stroking a long beard.  As your > arms start to come down, imagine the chi entering the top of your head > and sinking down the front until it reaches the area just below your > belly button.  That’s where you compress it into a little ball.  Push > down lightly w/ your stomach muscles  If you can spin the ball, then > do it.  When you pack it, tighten the anus muscles and touch your > tongue to the roof of your mouth.  Some people say where the gum meets > the teeth but if you feel better in another part, then use that. > At first you may not feel the chi flowing but in time you will.  Don’t > try to force it. It will come.  If you start to yawn or burb, that’s > just stale energy leaving the body. > So far, only one person here seemed to be interested in tai chi and > chi gong.  I hope more people give it a chance.  Some people may > prefer yoga. Find a place near you, sit in on some lessons before you > put down any money. and make sure it’s right for you. > donoli.

Thank you for the info. I am willing to try anything at this point to get rid of some of the stress that IBS is causing in my life. Thanks again and Happy Holidays to you and your family, Liz

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Here’s another chi gong exercise for those who are interested.  As I said in another post, the idea is to absorb the chi which is the energy that keeps us alive.  The exercise can be done standing or sitting.  There were times I had to do them sitting because I was just too weak to get off the couch.  If you sit, make yourself a tripod using your two feet and your talbone.  If you stand, round your shoulders slightly, bend your knees slightly and relax your entire body. As you inhale, bring your arms out to the side, palms up and raise them over your head but don’t let them touch.  Stop when they are facing each other about 8 inches apart.  As you exhale, bring them down in front of you as if you are stroking a long beard.  As your arms start to come down, imagine the chi entering the top of your head and sinking down the front until it reaches the area just below your belly button.  That’s where you compress it into a little ball.  Push down lightly w/ your stomach muscles  If you can spin the ball, then do it.  When you pack it, tighten the anus muscles and touch your tongue to the roof of your mouth.  Some people say where the gum meets the teeth but if you feel better in another part, then use that. At first you may not feel the chi flowing but in time you will.  Don’t try to force it. It will come.  If you start to yawn or burb, that’s just stale energy leaving the body.   So far, only one person here seemed to be interested in tai chi and chi gong.  I hope more people give it a chance.  Some people may prefer yoga. Find a place near you, sit in on some lessons before you put down any money. and make sure it’s right for you.   donoli.

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>Honestly skinny skiing or even topless skiing is not all cut out as one >would think… >I was going down a diamond in Park City it was around 58 degrees so I took >off my shirt and fell right after word and to my suprise snow that fluffy >white stuff burned like hell >Note to self leave shirt on

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Not saying you have to leave your shirt on, Just pointing out some obvious advice when not told like I was Bz

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>sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post??

ME!!! LOL I think this is shawnie because it comes from RR via texas with an agent newsreader. anyone posting with agent is  an *agent* of the DEVIL.. ask satanist Kirk Davis ,, he knows!!!!!! Wait I’m confused, I thought that anyone posting with Agent from alt.net was Shawnee?? — Please sign my guest book http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=pnarco

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>Not saying you have to leave your shirt on, >Just pointing out some obvious advice when not told like I was

you make me want to reveal myself..you could be dangerous..LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Bz > >Honestly skinny skiing or even topless skiing is not all cut out as one > >would think… > >I was going down a diamond in Park City it was around 58 degrees so I >took > >off my shirt and fell right after word and to my suprise snow that fluffy > >white stuff burned like hell > >Note to self leave shirt on > spoilsport! > >Bz

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Wild Like Leather Pants and a mirror of coke YYYYYYEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA Bz

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Not saying you have to leave your shirt on, >Just pointing out some obvious advice when not told like I was > you make me want to reveal myself..you could be dangerous..LOL >Bz >> >Honestly skinny skiing or even topless skiing is not all cut out as one >> >would think… >> >I was going down a diamond in Park City it was around 58 degrees so I >took >> >off my shirt and fell right after word and to my suprise snow that fluffy >> >white stuff burned like hell >> >Note to self leave shirt on >> spoilsport! >> >Bz

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post?? >ME!!! >LOL >I think this is shawnie because it comes from RR via texas with an >agent newsreader. >anyone posting with agent is  an *agent* of the DEVIL.. >ask satanist Kirk Davis ,, he knows!!!!!! >Wait I’m confused, I thought that anyone posting with Agent from alt.net was Shawnee??

of course…she enters their brains if they read the guest book and they are never the same again. Hopper read her guest book and his mind was hacked to marshmellow

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perhaps you havent realised that nobody will because we’re all so sick of giving you troles the attention you want – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post?? > Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 > Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights > on acid. (Caddy Shack) >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal >sig >Thanx again and nice postin with ya >Bz >>just thought i should say welcome and hi >>cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >>now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >>well we gotta stick together in this world >>especially BeePers with blue hair >>and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >>world domination hahahaha… >>well any how >>so tell me… what is it you do? >>sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >>unrelated…. >>or all of the above :) >>uhh…. >>just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >>you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >>in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >>peace >>m~ >>– >>| Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >>| for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >>| to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >>| continue.                                         | >>|                       < Ok >                      | > -Robert > — > Please sign my guest book > http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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cool :-) yeah glad to meet you too :) *sigh* beaches… i miss them, probably the only thing i miss from australia where i grew up im electronic music composer / graphic artist / interactive designer / sysadmin / linux freak / writer currently working on a book on copyleft and big expose of software industry… / activist / Libra i like.. hmm…. lemme see lotsa things, art, music, long walks in the country, yoga, doing weird shit to my collection of dumpster machines and early Apple macs, and of course really good underground parties and raves and stuff ::::-))) dont worry bout the other groups i met a blue-haired sysadmin on there once but i forgot, he’s in the uk like me…. im in good ol London :) yeah nice to meet you too seeya m~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well Glad to meet you again….I guess > Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe > And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius > Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even > though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. > And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal > sig > Thanx again and nice postin with ya > Bz >just thought i should say welcome and hi >cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >well we gotta stick together in this world >especially BeePers with blue hair >and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >world domination hahahaha… >well any how >so tell me… what is it you do? >sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >unrelated…. >or all of the above :) >uhh…. >just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >peace >m~ >– >| Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >| for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >| to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >| continue.                                         | >|                       < Ok >                      |

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You Fzzzcking Suzzzzck! I Hazzzte TroleZZZZze!

perhaps you havent realised that nobody will because we’re all so sick of giving you troles the attention you want – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post?? (Hopper) > Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 > Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights > on acid. (Caddy Shack) >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal >sig >Thanx again and nice postin with ya >Bz >>just thought i should say welcome and hi >>cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >>now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >>well we gotta stick together in this world >>especially BeePers with blue hair >>and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >>world domination hahahaha… >>well any how >>so tell me… what is it you do? >>sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >>unrelated…. >>or all of the above :) >>uhh…. >>just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >>you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >>in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >>peace >>m~ >>– >>| Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >>| for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >>| to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >>| continue.                                         | >>|                       < Ok >                      | > -Robert > — > Please sign my guest book > http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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ouch i think i’d get bruises on my eyes if i went topless skiing… !!!!!!! m~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Honestly skinny skiing or even topless skiing is not all cut out as one > would think… > I was going down a diamond in Park City it was around 58 degrees so I took > off my shirt and fell right after word and to my suprise snow that fluffy > white stuff burned like hell > Note to self leave shirt on > Bz >Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights >on acid. (Caddy Shack) >>Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >>Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >>And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >>Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. > even >>though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >>And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember > origanal >>sig >>Thanx again and nice postin with ya >>Bz >>>just thought i should say welcome and hi >>>cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >>>now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >>>well we gotta stick together in this world >>>especially BeePers with blue hair >>>and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >>>world domination hahahaha… >>>well any how >>>so tell me… what is it you do? >>>sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >>>unrelated…. >>>or all of the above :) >>>uhh…. >>>just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >>>you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >>>in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >>>peace >>>m~ >>>– >>>| Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >>>| for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >>>| to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >>>| continue.                                         | >>>|                       < Ok >                      | >-Robert

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>sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post??

ME!!! LOL I think this is shawnie because it comes from RR via texas with an agent newsreader. anyone posting with agent is  an *agent* of the DEVIL.. ask satanist Kirk Davis ,, he knows!!!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 >Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights >on acid. (Caddy Shack) >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal >sig >Thanx again and nice postin with ya >Bz >> just thought i should say welcome and hi >> cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >> now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >> well we gotta stick together in this world >> especially BeePers with blue hair >> and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >> world domination hahahaha… >> well any how >> so tell me… what is it you do? >> sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >> unrelated…. >> or all of the above :) >> uhh…. >> just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >> you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >> in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >> peace >> m~ >> — >> | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >> | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >> | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >> | continue.                                         | >> |                       < Ok >                      | >-Robert

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sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post?? Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837

Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights on acid. (Caddy Shack) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal >sig >Thanx again and nice postin with ya >Bz > just thought i should say welcome and hi > cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before > now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope > well we gotta stick together in this world > especially BeePers with blue hair > and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for > world domination hahahaha… > well any how > so tell me… what is it you do? > sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally > unrelated…. > or all of the above :) > uhh…. > just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely > you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? > in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) > peace > m~ > — > | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | > | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | > | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | > | continue.                                         | > |                       < Ok >                      |

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>I have read the name Shawnie enough for a lifetime, how about we all just >ignore her?  OK, I know I am getting real…

you think? real? how about we all just ignore YOU??? you jonny come latelys make me laugh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post?? >(Hopper) > Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 > Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights > on acid. (Caddy Shack) > >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess > >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe > >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius > >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. >even > >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. > >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember >origanal > >sig > >Thanx again and nice postin with ya > >Bz > >> just thought i should say welcome and hi > >> cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before > >> now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope > >> well we gotta stick together in this world > >> especially BeePers with blue hair > >> and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for > >> world domination hahahaha… > >> well any how > >> so tell me… what is it you do? > >> sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally > >> unrelated…. > >> or all of the above :) > >> uhh…. > >> just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely > >> you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? > >> in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) > >> peace > >> m~ > >> — > >> | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | > >> | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | > >> | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | > >> | continue.                                         | > >> |                       < Ok >                      | > -Robert > — > Please sign my guest book > http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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I think those Skinny-Dippin’ Sky-Divin’ Beep’s photos phloating around on the internet are so cool.

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Or quit framing her DUH!!! Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837

I have read the name Shawnie enough for a lifetime, how about we all just ignore her?  OK, I know I am getting real…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post?? (Hopper) > Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 > Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights > on acid. (Caddy Shack) >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal >sig >Thanx again and nice postin with ya >Bz >> just thought i should say welcome and hi >> cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >> now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >> well we gotta stick together in this world >> especially BeePers with blue hair >> and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >> world domination hahahaha… >> well any how >> so tell me… what is it you do? >> sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >> unrelated…. >> or all of the above :) >> uhh…. >> just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >> you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >> in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >> peace >> m~ >> — >> | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >> | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >> | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >> | continue.                                         | >> |                       < Ok >                      | > -Robert > — > Please sign my guest book > http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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I have read the name Shawnie enough for a lifetime, how about we all just ignore her?  OK, I know I am getting real…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post?? (Hopper) > Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 > Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights > on acid. (Caddy Shack) >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal >sig >Thanx again and nice postin with ya >Bz >> just thought i should say welcome and hi >> cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >> now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >> well we gotta stick together in this world >> especially BeePers with blue hair >> and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >> world domination hahahaha… >> well any how >> so tell me… what is it you do? >> sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >> unrelated…. >> or all of the above :) >> uhh…. >> just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >> you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >> in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >> peace >> m~ >> — >> | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >> | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >> | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >> | continue.                                         | >> |                       < Ok >                      | > -Robert > — > Please sign my guest book > http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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Nope. Shawnie is indeed a human bean of some sort. Lessa not disconfigurate her un-necessarily. r

I have read the name Shawnie enough for a lifetime, how about we all just ignore her?  OK, I know I am getting real…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post?? (Hopper) > Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 > Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights > on acid. (Caddy Shack) >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal >sig >Thanx again and nice postin with ya >Bz >> just thought i should say welcome and hi >> cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >> now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >> well we gotta stick together in this world >> especially BeePers with blue hair >> and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >> world domination hahahaha… >> well any how >> so tell me… what is it you do? >> sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >> unrelated…. >> or all of the above :) >> uhh…. >> just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >> you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >> in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >> peace >> m~ >> — >> | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >> | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >> | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >> | continue.                                         | >> |                       < Ok >                      | > -Robert > — > Please sign my guest book > http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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You Will! By Proxy! r

sigh.. ok who will be the first to blame shawnie for this post??

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Honestly skinny skiing or even topless skiing is not all cut out as one would think… I was going down a diamond in Park City it was around 58 degrees so I took off my shirt and fell right after word and to my suprise snow that fluffy white stuff burned like hell Note to self leave shirt on Bz

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, my name is Robert I like skinny skiing and going to bull fights > on acid. (Caddy Shack) >Well Glad to meet you again….I guess >Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe >And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius >Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even >though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. >And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal >sig >Thanx again and nice postin with ya >Bz >> just thought i should say welcome and hi >> cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >> now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >> well we gotta stick together in this world >> especially BeePers with blue hair >> and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >> world domination hahahaha… >> well any how >> so tell me… what is it you do? >> sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >> unrelated…. >> or all of the above :) >> uhh…. >> just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >> you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >> in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >> peace >> m~ >> — >> | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >> | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >> | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >> | continue.                                         | >> |                       < Ok >                      | > -Robert

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Well Glad to meet you again….I guess Don’t worry stuck together like gum on shoe And I am a programer/student/Hacker/Sagitarius Lets see I like rock climbing, Hockey, and fast walks on the beach…. even though there realy isn’t any beaches around here…. And yes I did post to other groups awhile back but I can’t remember origanal sig Thanx again and nice postin with ya Bz

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> just thought i should say welcome and hi > cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before > now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope > well we gotta stick together in this world > especially BeePers with blue hair > and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for > world domination hahahaha… > well any how > so tell me… what is it you do? > sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally > unrelated…. > or all of the above :) > uhh…. > just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely > you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? > in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) > peace > m~ > — > | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | > | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | > | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | > | continue.                                         | > |                       < Ok >                      |

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or the plug in their bathtub wears out.

teeheeeeee cept its too close to the ferkin truth for my liking. i mean all this drm/tcpa/palladium/cbdtpa/cybermindcontrol stuff…. erk http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html use GNU/Linux until they try to stamp us out and then we’ll stampede them hehehhehehehe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I think that’s more like, ‘BgWah Hah Ha Ha Ha.  Did I scare you into buying > my crap yet, marks?" > rw > just thought i should say welcome and hi > cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before > now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope > well we gotta stick together in this world > especially BeePers with blue hair > and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for > world domination hahahaha… > well any how > so tell me… what is it you do? > sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally > unrelated…. > or all of the above :) > uhh…. > just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely > you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? > in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) > peace > m~ > — > | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | > | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | > | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | > | continue.                                         | > |                       < Ok >                      |

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I think that’s more like, ‘BgWah Hah Ha Ha Ha.  Did I scare you into buying my crap yet, marks?" rw

just thought i should say welcome and hi cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope well we gotta stick together in this world especially BeePers with blue hair and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for world domination hahahaha… well any how so tell me… what is it you do? sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally unrelated…. or all of the above :) uhh…. just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) peace m~ — | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | | continue.                                         | |                       < Ok >                      |

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teeheeeeee cept its too close to the ferkin truth for my liking. i mean all this drm/tcpa/palladium/cbdtpa/cybermindcontrol stuff…. erk http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html use GNU/Linux until they try to stamp us out and then we’ll stampede them hehehhehehehe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I think that’s more like, ‘BgWah Hah Ha Ha Ha.  Did I scare you into buying > my crap yet, marks?" > rw > just thought i should say welcome and hi > cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before > now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope > well we gotta stick together in this world > especially BeePers with blue hair > and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for > world domination hahahaha… > well any how > so tell me… what is it you do? > sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally > unrelated…. > or all of the above :) > uhh…. > just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely > you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? > in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) > peace > m~ > — > | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | > | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | > | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | > | continue.                                         | > |                       < Ok >                      |

– | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | | continue.                                         | |                       < Ok >                      |

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heheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee too funny m~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > or the plug in their bathtub wears out. > teeheeeeee > cept its too close to the ferkin truth for my liking. > i mean all this drm/tcpa/palladium/cbdtpa/cybermindcontrol stuff…. > erk > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html > use GNU/Linux until they try to stamp us out > and then we’ll stampede them > hehehhehehehe >I think that’s more like, ‘BgWah Hah Ha Ha Ha.  Did I scare you into > buying >my crap yet, marks?" >rw >just thought i should say welcome and hi >cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before >now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope >well we gotta stick together in this world >especially BeePers with blue hair >and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for >world domination hahahaha… >well any how >so tell me… what is it you do? >sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally >unrelated…. >or all of the above :) >uhh…. >just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely >you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? >in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) >peace >m~ >– >| Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | >| for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | >| to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | >| continue.                                         | >|                       < Ok >                      | > — > | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | > | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | > | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | > | continue.                                         | > |                       < Ok >                      |

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just thought i should say welcome and hi cos i dont believe i’ve actualy done so before now we haX0rz have made a truce i hope well we gotta stick together in this world especially BeePers with blue hair and its a bad bad world out there… what with billg and his plot for world domination hahahaha… well any how so tell me… what is it you do? sysadmin / hacker by nite / security expert / something totally unrelated…. or all of the above :) uhh…. just a random thought… altho i dont think its likely you didnt used to sub to u.p.s.d and/or a.s.s-h did you? in which case i’ll reveal my ex-identity :) peace m~ — | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  | | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       | | continue.                                         | |                       < Ok >                      |

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> I was told just last week that B12 is "nature’s tranquilizer" and that I REALLY > need to be taking a good multivitamin and a B complex.  So I bought them the > other day, and am making a real attempt to take legal <and therefore > unacceptable> pills on a consistant basis. > LOL > With hope and heart, > Kathleen > PS.  Thanks for sharing this Paula!

I’ve mentioned here before that a good vitamin B complex has helped me more than I thought possible.  Stress and smoking both contribute to B deficiencies; it’s great to see that others are trying the B. I can’t speak for everyone, but it has really made a huge difference for me since I started taking it.  The formula I take is a mega stress formula.  I never did the B-12 injections, but that probably would have helped me too, had I known or thought to ask about it. hugs, elle (/delurk)

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"Edna Pearl" wrote >…Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t > get enough protein, I feel like dirt.

Have to take issue with you here… Dirt is not a fit substitute for good protein, regardless of your stated preference. So, you run out of beef, fish or chicken; you then switch to dirt? Jeez Louise! It’s barely acceptable roughage (that’s "fiber" for you kids…), though adding sphagnum moss, pebbles, or bits of mulch are helpful, in a pinch. I second the sleep part, though.

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I was told just last week that B12 is "nature’s tranquilizer" and that I REALLY need to be taking a good multivitamin and a B complex.  So I bought them the other day, and am making a real attempt to take legal <and therefore unacceptable> pills on a consistant basis. LOL With hope and heart, Kathleen PS.  Thanks for sharing this Paula! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > minutes.

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>I am settling down >from the extremes of dynamic lethargy along with being a cranky assed >motherfucker myself.

Heh. That’s my normal state.

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> Hey all… > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. > 713 cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, > 25 minutes.

Hey Paula, It sounds like you have a great Dr and are doing well, that is great!!! Nice meter too :) — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. http://mcgonzalez.home.att.net

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I’m afraid to even touch this subject. I’ve often thought that perhaps depression led to my tendency to get sucked into addiction so easily, thus the smoking. See I was a pretty normal kid until I took a whack on the noggin that had me on strict bedrest for six weeks, followed by restricted activity for six more months after that. I’ve pretty much been a lazy lil bish forever after that, along with all the traditional symptoms of depression. The rapists ..er.. therapists that I saw as a teen did absolutely nothing to address that issue (there were so many much more interesting ones on the table!) and I see psych meds as a total cop out. Not to mention the fact that I can’t really afford docs or meds right now. When I’ve tried to quit in the past anger, anxiety and depression have hit me really hard. I’ve been trying to think of ways to get around that this time, and I’m looking at NRT as well as some yoga and meditation techniques that I’ve already started to practice. Not sure how well all of that will work, but we’ll see =) Christy cpuckett at floydva dot net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey all… > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood > swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the > hope it might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was > very deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the > damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I > can say now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections > last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I > was. And the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling > that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make > sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really > easy to fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 > seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 > hours, 25 > minutes.

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> I’m afraid to even touch this subject. I’ve often thought that perhaps

depression led to my tendency to get sucked into addiction  so easily, thus the smoking. Don’t be afraid. I think that a lot of depression for me was masked by smoking… See I was a pretty normal kid until I  took a whack on the noggin that had me on strict bedrest for six  weeks, followed by restricted activity for six more months after > that. I’ve pretty much been a lazy lil bish forever after that, along with

all the traditional symptoms of depression.  The rapists  ..er.. therapists that I saw as a teen did absolutely nothing to address that issue (there were so many much more interesting ones  on the table!) and I see psych meds as a total cop out. Gotta disagree with you here – if I needed psych meds to function, I would definately use them, lost a friend to bi polar earlier this year after he decided that meds were a no go. > Not to  mention the fact that I can’t really afford docs or meds right

now. When I’ve tried to quit in the past anger, anxiety and depression  have hit me really hard. I’ve been trying to think of ways to get around that this time, and I’m looking at NRT as well as some yoga and meditation techniques that I’ve already started to practice. Yoga is great, I do that. NRT should help. If all else fails, do get a blood test to make sure your levels are ok. And eat well…and look after yourself! > Not sure how well all of that will work, but we’ll see =)

yep! trying is all you can do…and if you keep trying…and succeeding…you will be quit before you know it! Paula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Christy > cpuckett at floydva dot net > Hey all… > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood > swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the > hope it might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was > very deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the > damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I > can say now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections > last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I > was. And the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling > that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make > sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really > easy to fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 > seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 > hours, 25 > minutes.

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Edna you are so right. I feel incredibly lucky that so far, touch wood, my depression is just a simple case of too much hormone, too little B12, and throw in some quit stress for good measure. I have friends with bi polar, I know how they struggle, I thank the higher power indeed. I think I will be keeping this doctor – nice to have someone who really listens, and doesn’t just rush to prescribe something that "might" help… Your ugly shoes sound like a great reminder for you and all of us, that there is always someone worse off. And that means there is ALWAYS someone who could use a helping hand, some friendship, or just a smile. Life is pretty good :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Agreed Edna! I did ask if I could take tablets to get my B12 levels up to > normal, or do it by diet, but was told it can take 2 years to raise your > B12 > levels by diet alone. The shots are the quick fix, and whether it was the > lessening of hormone, or the B12 shot, or combination of both, I have had > no > depression in the last three or four days… > I didn’t know that about B12 deficiencies.  Gee, doctors do come in handy > occasionally, don’t they  :-) > If only all mood disorders could be AT LEAST alleviated by a series of > injections.  Wouldn’t that be nice?  I think you should be counting your > lucky stars right now that you are finding some alleviation your post-quit > problems.  May it continue forever.  And keep that doctor . . . . > I walk with a limp unless I wear special (ugly) shoes, because of a foot > problem.  And every time I put on my ugly shoes, I say, thank heavens I can > walk normally.  There are people reading this who can’t walk at all, no > matter what kind of shoes they put on. > We are very lucky  :-) > epvof > Life is looking up :-) > > I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula. > It > > sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. > > Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall > > well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough > essential > > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I > don’t > > get enough protein, I feel like dirt. > > epvof > > > Hey all… > > > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings > after > > > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it > > might > > > help one of you. > > > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very > > deficient > > > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > > > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > > > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > > > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > > > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can > say > > now, > > > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last > week, > > > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. > And > > the > > > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > > > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that > things > > > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure > they > > > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to > > fix. > > > And keep up the quit all! > > > Paula > > > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. > 713 > > > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, > 25 > > > minutes.

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Paula, Glad to see that things are on an even keel with you. I am settling down from the extremes of dynamic lethargy along with being a cranky assed motherfucker myself. Still snap sometimes, still feel low at others, not as all consuming as before. Moll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Agreed Edna! I did ask if I could take tablets to get my B12 levels up to > normal, or do it by diet, but was told it can take 2 years to raise your B12 > levels by diet alone. The shots are the quick fix, and whether it was the > lessening of hormone, or the B12 shot, or combination of both, I have had no > depression in the last three or four days… > Life is looking up :-) > I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula. It > sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. > Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall > well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t > get enough protein, I feel like dirt. > epvof > > Hey all… > > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings > after > > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it > might > > help one of you. > > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very > deficient > > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say > now, > > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last > week, > > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And > the > > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that > things > > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to > fix. > > And keep up the quit all! > > Paula > > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. > 713 > > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > > minutes.

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> Agreed Edna! I did ask if I could take tablets to get my B12 levels up to > normal, or do it by diet, but was told it can take 2 years to raise your B12 > levels by diet alone. The shots are the quick fix, and whether it was the > lessening of hormone, or the B12 shot, or combination of both, I have had no > depression in the last three or four days…

I didn’t know that about B12 deficiencies.  Gee, doctors do come in handy occasionally, don’t they  :-) If only all mood disorders could be AT LEAST alleviated by a series of injections.  Wouldn’t that be nice?  I think you should be counting your lucky stars right now that you are finding some alleviation your post-quit problems.  May it continue forever.  And keep that doctor . . . . I walk with a limp unless I wear special (ugly) shoes, because of a foot problem.  And every time I put on my ugly shoes, I say, thank heavens I can walk normally.  There are people reading this who can’t walk at all, no matter what kind of shoes they put on. We are very lucky  :-) epvof – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Life is looking up :-) > I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula. It > sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. > Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall > well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t > get enough protein, I feel like dirt. > epvof > > Hey all… > > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings > after > > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it > might > > help one of you. > > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very > deficient > > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say > now, > > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last > week, > > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And > the > > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that > things > > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to > fix. > > And keep up the quit all! > > Paula > > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. > 713 > > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > > minutes.

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Agreed Edna! I did ask if I could take tablets to get my B12 levels up to normal, or do it by diet, but was told it can take 2 years to raise your B12 levels by diet alone. The shots are the quick fix, and whether it was the lessening of hormone, or the B12 shot, or combination of both, I have had no depression in the last three or four days… Life is looking up :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula.  It > sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. > Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall > well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t > get enough protein, I feel like dirt. > epvof > Hey all… > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it > might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very > deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say > now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And > the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to > fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > minutes.

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Just to add…this is what my doctor has told me. Some of you might totally disagree with what she has said. I will pass on any posts to her if that is the case! Anecdotally, I feel better, therefore I believe her…

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I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula.  It sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t get enough protein, I feel like dirt. epvof

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey all… > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > minutes.

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Hey all… There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings after quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it might help one of you. When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very deficient in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the fatigue/depression caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say now, with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last week, that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And the libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that things just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to fix. And keep up the quit all! Paula One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. 713 cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes.

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Hey all… There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings after quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it might help one of you. When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very deficient in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the fatigue/depression caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say now, with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last week, that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And the libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that things just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to fix. And keep up the quit all! Paula One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. 713 cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes.

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Just to add…this is what my doctor has told me. Some of you might totally disagree with what she has said. I will pass on any posts to her if that is the case! Anecdotally, I feel better, therefore I believe her…

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I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula.  It sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t get enough protein, I feel like dirt. epvof

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey all… > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > minutes.

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Agreed Edna! I did ask if I could take tablets to get my B12 levels up to normal, or do it by diet, but was told it can take 2 years to raise your B12 levels by diet alone. The shots are the quick fix, and whether it was the lessening of hormone, or the B12 shot, or combination of both, I have had no depression in the last three or four days… Life is looking up :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula.  It > sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. > Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall > well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t > get enough protein, I feel like dirt. > epvof > Hey all… > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it > might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very > deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say > now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And > the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to > fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > minutes.

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Paula, Glad to see that things are on an even keel with you. I am settling down from the extremes of dynamic lethargy along with being a cranky assed motherfucker myself. Still snap sometimes, still feel low at others, not as all consuming as before. Moll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Agreed Edna! I did ask if I could take tablets to get my B12 levels up to > normal, or do it by diet, but was told it can take 2 years to raise your B12 > levels by diet alone. The shots are the quick fix, and whether it was the > lessening of hormone, or the B12 shot, or combination of both, I have had no > depression in the last three or four days… > Life is looking up :-) > I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula. It > sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. > Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall > well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t > get enough protein, I feel like dirt. > epvof > > Hey all… > > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings > after > > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it > might > > help one of you. > > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very > deficient > > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say > now, > > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last > week, > > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And > the > > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that > things > > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to > fix. > > And keep up the quit all! > > Paula > > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. > 713 > > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > > minutes.

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> Agreed Edna! I did ask if I could take tablets to get my B12 levels up to > normal, or do it by diet, but was told it can take 2 years to raise your B12 > levels by diet alone. The shots are the quick fix, and whether it was the > lessening of hormone, or the B12 shot, or combination of both, I have had no > depression in the last three or four days…

I didn’t know that about B12 deficiencies.  Gee, doctors do come in handy occasionally, don’t they  :-) If only all mood disorders could be AT LEAST alleviated by a series of injections.  Wouldn’t that be nice?  I think you should be counting your lucky stars right now that you are finding some alleviation your post-quit problems.  May it continue forever.  And keep that doctor . . . . I walk with a limp unless I wear special (ugly) shoes, because of a foot problem.  And every time I put on my ugly shoes, I say, thank heavens I can walk normally.  There are people reading this who can’t walk at all, no matter what kind of shoes they put on. We are very lucky  :-) epvof – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Life is looking up :-) > I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula. It > sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. > Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall > well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t > get enough protein, I feel like dirt. > epvof > > Hey all… > > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings > after > > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it > might > > help one of you. > > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very > deficient > > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say > now, > > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last > week, > > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And > the > > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that > things > > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to > fix. > > And keep up the quit all! > > Paula > > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. > 713 > > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > > minutes.

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Edna you are so right. I feel incredibly lucky that so far, touch wood, my depression is just a simple case of too much hormone, too little B12, and throw in some quit stress for good measure. I have friends with bi polar, I know how they struggle, I thank the higher power indeed. I think I will be keeping this doctor – nice to have someone who really listens, and doesn’t just rush to prescribe something that "might" help… Your ugly shoes sound like a great reminder for you and all of us, that there is always someone worse off. And that means there is ALWAYS someone who could use a helping hand, some friendship, or just a smile. Life is pretty good :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Agreed Edna! I did ask if I could take tablets to get my B12 levels up to > normal, or do it by diet, but was told it can take 2 years to raise your > B12 > levels by diet alone. The shots are the quick fix, and whether it was the > lessening of hormone, or the B12 shot, or combination of both, I have had > no > depression in the last three or four days… > I didn’t know that about B12 deficiencies.  Gee, doctors do come in handy > occasionally, don’t they  :-) > If only all mood disorders could be AT LEAST alleviated by a series of > injections.  Wouldn’t that be nice?  I think you should be counting your > lucky stars right now that you are finding some alleviation your post-quit > problems.  May it continue forever.  And keep that doctor . . . . > I walk with a limp unless I wear special (ugly) shoes, because of a foot > problem.  And every time I put on my ugly shoes, I say, thank heavens I can > walk normally.  There are people reading this who can’t walk at all, no > matter what kind of shoes they put on. > We are very lucky  :-) > epvof > Life is looking up :-) > > I’m so glad you’re making some headway against the mood issues, Paula. > It > > sounds like you are fortunate in your choice of doctors. > > Nutrition changes are OFTEN a good first step to improving overall > > well-being.  Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough > essential > > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I > don’t > > get enough protein, I feel like dirt. > > epvof > > > Hey all… > > > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings > after > > > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it > > might > > > help one of you. > > > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very > > deficient > > > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > > > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > > > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > > > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > > > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can > say > > now, > > > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last > week, > > > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. > And > > the > > > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > > > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that > things > > > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure > they > > > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to > > fix. > > > And keep up the quit all! > > > Paula > > > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. > 713 > > > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, > 25 > > > minutes.

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>I am settling down >from the extremes of dynamic lethargy along with being a cranky assed >motherfucker myself.

Heh. That’s my normal state.

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> Hey all… > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. > 713 cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, > 25 minutes.

Hey Paula, It sounds like you have a great Dr and are doing well, that is great!!! Nice meter too :) — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. http://mcgonzalez.home.att.net

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I’m afraid to even touch this subject. I’ve often thought that perhaps depression led to my tendency to get sucked into addiction so easily, thus the smoking. See I was a pretty normal kid until I took a whack on the noggin that had me on strict bedrest for six weeks, followed by restricted activity for six more months after that. I’ve pretty much been a lazy lil bish forever after that, along with all the traditional symptoms of depression. The rapists ..er.. therapists that I saw as a teen did absolutely nothing to address that issue (there were so many much more interesting ones on the table!) and I see psych meds as a total cop out. Not to mention the fact that I can’t really afford docs or meds right now. When I’ve tried to quit in the past anger, anxiety and depression have hit me really hard. I’ve been trying to think of ways to get around that this time, and I’m looking at NRT as well as some yoga and meditation techniques that I’ve already started to practice. Not sure how well all of that will work, but we’ll see =) Christy cpuckett at floydva dot net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey all… > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood > swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the > hope it might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was > very deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the > damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I > can say now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections > last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I > was. And the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling > that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make > sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really > easy to fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 > seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 > hours, 25 > minutes.

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> I’m afraid to even touch this subject. I’ve often thought that perhaps

depression led to my tendency to get sucked into addiction  so easily, thus the smoking. Don’t be afraid. I think that a lot of depression for me was masked by smoking… See I was a pretty normal kid until I  took a whack on the noggin that had me on strict bedrest for six  weeks, followed by restricted activity for six more months after > that. I’ve pretty much been a lazy lil bish forever after that, along with

all the traditional symptoms of depression.  The rapists  ..er.. therapists that I saw as a teen did absolutely nothing to address that issue (there were so many much more interesting ones  on the table!) and I see psych meds as a total cop out. Gotta disagree with you here – if I needed psych meds to function, I would definately use them, lost a friend to bi polar earlier this year after he decided that meds were a no go. > Not to  mention the fact that I can’t really afford docs or meds right

now. When I’ve tried to quit in the past anger, anxiety and depression  have hit me really hard. I’ve been trying to think of ways to get around that this time, and I’m looking at NRT as well as some yoga and meditation techniques that I’ve already started to practice. Yoga is great, I do that. NRT should help. If all else fails, do get a blood test to make sure your levels are ok. And eat well…and look after yourself! > Not sure how well all of that will work, but we’ll see =)

yep! trying is all you can do…and if you keep trying…and succeeding…you will be quit before you know it! Paula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Christy > cpuckett at floydva dot net > Hey all… > There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood > swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the > hope it might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was > very deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the > damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the > fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I > can say now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections > last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I > was. And the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling > that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make > sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really > easy to fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 > seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 > hours, 25 > minutes.

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"Edna Pearl" wrote >…Never underestimate the necessity of getting enough essential > fatty acids, protein, water, and sleep — as well as vitamins.  If I don’t > get enough protein, I feel like dirt.

Have to take issue with you here… Dirt is not a fit substitute for good protein, regardless of your stated preference. So, you run out of beef, fish or chicken; you then switch to dirt? Jeez Louise! It’s barely acceptable roughage (that’s "fiber" for you kids…), though adding sphagnum moss, pebbles, or bits of mulch are helpful, in a pinch. I second the sleep part, though.

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I was told just last week that B12 is "nature’s tranquilizer" and that I REALLY need to be taking a good multivitamin and a B complex.  So I bought them the other day, and am making a real attempt to take legal <and therefore unacceptable> pills on a consistant basis. LOL With hope and heart, Kathleen PS.  Thanks for sharing this Paula! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There has been a lot of chat on AS3 about depression and mood swings after > quitting. Just wanted to update you all on my situation in the hope it might > help one of you. > When I had my blood tests done, the results showed that I was very deficient > in B12. B12 is apparently very low in smokers anyway due to the damage > cigarettes do, but often a smoker will not exhibit the fatigue/depression > caused by a low B12 because of stimulant action of nicotine. > I also had a very high hormone level due to over prescription of the > contraceptive pill I was on, which added to the mix. However, I can say now, > with no pill for over a week, and my first of 6 B12 injections last week, > that I feel good. Not great yet, but a darn sight better than I was. And the > libido seems to be making a small reappearance woo hoo! > So what I wanted to say, to those of you who might be feeling that things > just aren’t right for you, do get a blood test done, and make sure they > check everything. You never know, it could be something really easy to fix. > And keep up the quit all! > Paula > One month, two weeks, three days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and 35 seconds. 713 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $322.76. Life saved: 2 days, 11 hours, 25 > minutes.

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> I was told just last week that B12 is "nature’s tranquilizer" and that I REALLY > need to be taking a good multivitamin and a B complex.  So I bought them the > other day, and am making a real attempt to take legal <and therefore > unacceptable> pills on a consistant basis. > LOL > With hope and heart, > Kathleen > PS.  Thanks for sharing this Paula!

I’ve mentioned here before that a good vitamin B complex has helped me more than I thought possible.  Stress and smoking both contribute to B deficiencies; it’s great to see that others are trying the B. I can’t speak for everyone, but it has really made a huge difference for me since I started taking it.  The formula I take is a mega stress formula.  I never did the B-12 injections, but that probably would have helped me too, had I known or thought to ask about it. hugs, elle (/delurk)

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you might want to give some  thought to using a NRT if you continue to feel lousy. VERY GRADUAL withdrawal from nicotine usually goes much smoother. — read and post daily, it works! rosie http://www.stopthehunger.com/go/donate/donation … focus on the journey, not the destination.  Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it.                                 g.anderson (readandpostatyahoo.com)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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>At this point, there is no > way out but through.

Actually, you have found the answer right there. >Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel.

OK.  Unpleasant though the journey may be, endless though it may seem, it is very nice at my end of the tunnel.  No more doubts about whether you can do it or whether it is worth it, just the satisfaction of knowing that you can do anything you set your mind to if you’re willing to work hard enough for long enough to achieve your goal.  Keep travelling. Dawn Two years, eleven months, three days, 16 hours, 40 minutes and 28 seconds. 32060 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8,415.64. Life saved: 15 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, 40 minutes. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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something to add to that list: you have now nice white clean teeth and no yellow finger’s from smoking anymore. Some extra money to buy nice things. Carmen a proud nonsmoker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi MM, > I think all of us here can relate to where you’re at.  My first three weeks > was like I was a zombie… completely out of touch with my feelings and what > was going on around me.  Kind of like I was just numb.  Following the first > three weeks, I kind of went on an emotional roller coaster… each day > brought new crises and tragedies.  Choosing to smoke was a decision that > never was far away.  Of course, if there is a possibility of clinical > depression vs. just having the "blues" you need to rely on your Dr.s advice. > I don’t know… something clicked at about two months.  I just had a feeling > that the worst was past, that life was happening all around me, and that I > wasn’t being singled out for a special ration of shit.  I have heard others > speak of similar occurrences. > One of the things early on that helped me get through the rough spots was > allowing myself to isolate and be a slug for awhile.  I am a Type A kind of > guy, and I am not really used to doing nothing.  But I allowed myself to be > lazy until things started getting better.  I exercised, I drank tons of > water, I "read and posted" and I held on minute by minute. > I think what happened to me at around the two month mark is I stopped seeing > the romance of smoking.  I started to view those who still smoked as "having > to smoke" rather than "getting to smoke."  Once that happened, my feelings > changed from jealousy to gratitude.  I don’t have to smoke today. > The feeling that I get from taking control of this addiction today is one of > freedom.  I like it that I don’t stink, cough, hide, puff, choke, hack, burn > holes in clothes and furniture, sneak around, smoke in the rain and wind, > and wheeze.  I like it that I can now go anywhere I want without checking to > see that I’ve got enough cigs, and knowing that I don’t have to excuse > myself and duck out to smoke.  I like it that I don’t have to clean my truck > windows and carpet every week, and I like it that I can ride my bike and > climb stairs without getting winded.  The list goes on… why don’t you see > what you can add to my list? > When I was just trying to get sober a few years ago, whenever I was in a > tough spot I always whined and complained about it.  The response the > old-timers would give me was (and I fuckin hated to hear it) "You’re right > where you’re supposed to be." > Moll… you’re  right where you’re supposed to be. > SteveS > QOF > Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as > well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep > whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made > an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self > care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness > to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally > bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so > sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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It is very heartwarming to find a kindred sister in this fight I wage against the nicodemon. Just got out of a warm bath, and sipping tea. All warm stuff to get me through. Moll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <snipped some great honest stuff> > Moll, said it before and I will say it again…you and I have parallel > quits. Same emotions, same weariness, same sensitivity. > I saw my doc last week and am waiting on blood test results, just to rule > out anything medical that may be contributing towards this depression. Today > actually feels a little better in terms of my mood – no tears yet, and I > even got out of bed at a reasonable hour. > I guess what I am saying is that I am there with you, but we will be able to > get through this. One thing the doc said to me was to try and get some > exercise each day – tough as it may seem. Today, its stormy and windy out, > so I am going to do some yoga inside. > You KNOW that at the other end of the tunnel is freedom and healing and > health and a new life for you. That could be a week away. A month. Even > longer. But you have to keep going towards the end of the tunnel, taking > care of yourself on the way, and always moving in the right direction. > Wow long post, but I really am feeling for you right now. Moll…just do > what it takes. Sleep is my escape too, and my body craves it even more than > it craves smoking. Warm baths to soothe the jangly nerves. A good book to > lose yourself in for a while. A glass of wine to relax you if its not a > trigger. > Anything. Go for it Moll. > Paula :-)

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> At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

You are so right, keep doing what you gotta do! What it is like…  well, cigs don’t enter my mind very often these days. Not only do I NOT eat candy all day anymore, I am down to one Pepsi a day!  We are working on the sugars now.  I am getting much better on the anger management, while I still seem to get confused easily I am able to shrug shoulders and brush it off.  I don’t sleep all the time, and I am down to one good cry per month.  OK, two cries.  Both limited to 10 minutes.  No naps.  No gorging oneself with food.  My kids both mention how happy they are that I quit. My Mom mentions how happy she is that I quit.  It’s very cool (50) out today and I am in the house, baking and painting and I don’t have to take any smoke breaks!  Whooooohhhoooooooooooo! Remember:  The tunnel just SEEMS endless.  It DOES get better! With hope and heart, Kathleen

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<snipped some great honest stuff> Moll, said it before and I will say it again…you and I have parallel quits. Same emotions, same weariness, same sensitivity. I saw my doc last week and am waiting on blood test results, just to rule out anything medical that may be contributing towards this depression. Today actually feels a little better in terms of my mood – no tears yet, and I even got out of bed at a reasonable hour. I guess what I am saying is that I am there with you, but we will be able to get through this. One thing the doc said to me was to try and get some exercise each day – tough as it may seem. Today, its stormy and windy out, so I am going to do some yoga inside. You KNOW that at the other end of the tunnel is freedom and healing and health and a new life for you. That could be a week away. A month. Even longer. But you have to keep going towards the end of the tunnel, taking care of yourself on the way, and always moving in the right direction. Wow long post, but I really am feeling for you right now. Moll…just do what it takes. Sleep is my escape too, and my body craves it even more than it craves smoking. Warm baths to soothe the jangly nerves. A good book to lose yourself in for a while. A glass of wine to relax you if its not a trigger. Anything. Go for it Moll. Paula :-)

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Steve S., I found a postive in the middle of all this, and so, can add to your list: Food tastes great! Best soft boiled eggs i have ever eaten. Also, I am a member of the circles in which it is said: "you are just where you  are supposed to be". What a timely thought to be expressed by you. Moll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi MM, > I think all of us here can relate to where you’re at.  My first three weeks > was like I was a zombie… completely out of touch with my feelings and what > was going on around me.  Kind of like I was just numb.  Following the first > three weeks, I kind of went on an emotional roller coaster… each day > brought new crises and tragedies.  Choosing to smoke was a decision that > never was far away.  Of course, if there is a possibility of clinical > depression vs. just having the "blues" you need to rely on your Dr.s advice. > I don’t know… something clicked at about two months.  I just had a feeling > that the worst was past, that life was happening all around me, and that I > wasn’t being singled out for a special ration of shit.  I have heard others > speak of similar occurrences. > One of the things early on that helped me get through the rough spots was > allowing myself to isolate and be a slug for awhile.  I am a Type A kind of > guy, and I am not really used to doing nothing.  But I allowed myself to be > lazy until things started getting better.  I exercised, I drank tons of > water, I "read and posted" and I held on minute by minute. > I think what happened to me at around the two month mark is I stopped seeing > the romance of smoking.  I started to view those who still smoked as "having > to smoke" rather than "getting to smoke."  Once that happened, my feelings > changed from jealousy to gratitude.  I don’t have to smoke today. > The feeling that I get from taking control of this addiction today is one of > freedom.  I like it that I don’t stink, cough, hide, puff, choke, hack, burn > holes in clothes and furniture, sneak around, smoke in the rain and wind, > and wheeze.  I like it that I can now go anywhere I want without checking to > see that I’ve got enough cigs, and knowing that I don’t have to excuse > myself and duck out to smoke.  I like it that I don’t have to clean my truck > windows and carpet every week, and I like it that I can ride my bike and > climb stairs without getting winded.  The list goes on… why don’t you see > what you can add to my list? > When I was just trying to get sober a few years ago, whenever I was in a > tough spot I always whined and complained about it.  The response the > old-timers would give me was (and I fuckin hated to hear it) "You’re right > where you’re supposed to be." > Moll… you’re  right where you’re supposed to be. > SteveS > QOF > Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as > well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep > whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made > an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self > care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness > to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally > bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so > sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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> Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety?

I think it’s because you have a great quit this time.  My "easy" quits have all failed miserably.  This quit .. ?  Life was an unbearable Hell for quite awhile and I just rode it out. You can do this Molly.  Yes you can! Joy Ten months, two weeks, six days, 4 hours, 14 minutes and 27 seconds. 9725 cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,431.01. Life saved: 4 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours, 25 minutes.

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Looking back, all this lousiness will seem like a mere moment, which precedes a lifetime of freedom from addiction. You’re doing great.  I know it doesn’t FEEL like you’re doing great, but later you’ll know you did a good job, getting through this. Congratulations.  Hang tough. epvof

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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Hi MM, I think all of us here can relate to where you’re at.  My first three weeks was like I was a zombie… completely out of touch with my feelings and what was going on around me.  Kind of like I was just numb.  Following the first three weeks, I kind of went on an emotional roller coaster… each day brought new crises and tragedies.  Choosing to smoke was a decision that never was far away.  Of course, if there is a possibility of clinical depression vs. just having the "blues" you need to rely on your Dr.s advice. I don’t know… something clicked at about two months.  I just had a feeling that the worst was past, that life was happening all around me, and that I wasn’t being singled out for a special ration of shit.  I have heard others speak of similar occurrences. One of the things early on that helped me get through the rough spots was allowing myself to isolate and be a slug for awhile.  I am a Type A kind of guy, and I am not really used to doing nothing.  But I allowed myself to be lazy until things started getting better.  I exercised, I drank tons of water, I "read and posted" and I held on minute by minute. I think what happened to me at around the two month mark is I stopped seeing the romance of smoking.  I started to view those who still smoked as "having to smoke" rather than "getting to smoke."  Once that happened, my feelings changed from jealousy to gratitude.  I don’t have to smoke today. The feeling that I get from taking control of this addiction today is one of freedom.  I like it that I don’t stink, cough, hide, puff, choke, hack, burn holes in clothes and furniture, sneak around, smoke in the rain and wind, and wheeze.  I like it that I can now go anywhere I want without checking to see that I’ve got enough cigs, and knowing that I don’t have to excuse myself and duck out to smoke.  I like it that I don’t have to clean my truck windows and carpet every week, and I like it that I can ride my bike and climb stairs without getting winded.  The list goes on… why don’t you see what you can add to my list? When I was just trying to get sober a few years ago, whenever I was in a tough spot I always whined and complained about it.  The response the old-timers would give me was (and I fuckin hated to hear it) "You’re right where you’re supposed to be." Moll… you’re  right where you’re supposed to be. SteveS QOF

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as well as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep whenever I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made an appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self care on this matter. I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness to it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally bummed. Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including the luxury of this post. Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. Moll Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as well as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep whenever I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made an appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self care on this matter. I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness to it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally bummed. Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including the luxury of this post. Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. Moll Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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Hi MM, I think all of us here can relate to where you’re at.  My first three weeks was like I was a zombie… completely out of touch with my feelings and what was going on around me.  Kind of like I was just numb.  Following the first three weeks, I kind of went on an emotional roller coaster… each day brought new crises and tragedies.  Choosing to smoke was a decision that never was far away.  Of course, if there is a possibility of clinical depression vs. just having the "blues" you need to rely on your Dr.s advice. I don’t know… something clicked at about two months.  I just had a feeling that the worst was past, that life was happening all around me, and that I wasn’t being singled out for a special ration of shit.  I have heard others speak of similar occurrences. One of the things early on that helped me get through the rough spots was allowing myself to isolate and be a slug for awhile.  I am a Type A kind of guy, and I am not really used to doing nothing.  But I allowed myself to be lazy until things started getting better.  I exercised, I drank tons of water, I "read and posted" and I held on minute by minute. I think what happened to me at around the two month mark is I stopped seeing the romance of smoking.  I started to view those who still smoked as "having to smoke" rather than "getting to smoke."  Once that happened, my feelings changed from jealousy to gratitude.  I don’t have to smoke today. The feeling that I get from taking control of this addiction today is one of freedom.  I like it that I don’t stink, cough, hide, puff, choke, hack, burn holes in clothes and furniture, sneak around, smoke in the rain and wind, and wheeze.  I like it that I can now go anywhere I want without checking to see that I’ve got enough cigs, and knowing that I don’t have to excuse myself and duck out to smoke.  I like it that I don’t have to clean my truck windows and carpet every week, and I like it that I can ride my bike and climb stairs without getting winded.  The list goes on… why don’t you see what you can add to my list? When I was just trying to get sober a few years ago, whenever I was in a tough spot I always whined and complained about it.  The response the old-timers would give me was (and I fuckin hated to hear it) "You’re right where you’re supposed to be." Moll… you’re  right where you’re supposed to be. SteveS QOF

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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Looking back, all this lousiness will seem like a mere moment, which precedes a lifetime of freedom from addiction. You’re doing great.  I know it doesn’t FEEL like you’re doing great, but later you’ll know you did a good job, getting through this. Congratulations.  Hang tough. epvof

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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> Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety?

I think it’s because you have a great quit this time.  My "easy" quits have all failed miserably.  This quit .. ?  Life was an unbearable Hell for quite awhile and I just rode it out. You can do this Molly.  Yes you can! Joy Ten months, two weeks, six days, 4 hours, 14 minutes and 27 seconds. 9725 cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,431.01. Life saved: 4 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours, 25 minutes.

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<snipped some great honest stuff> Moll, said it before and I will say it again…you and I have parallel quits. Same emotions, same weariness, same sensitivity. I saw my doc last week and am waiting on blood test results, just to rule out anything medical that may be contributing towards this depression. Today actually feels a little better in terms of my mood – no tears yet, and I even got out of bed at a reasonable hour. I guess what I am saying is that I am there with you, but we will be able to get through this. One thing the doc said to me was to try and get some exercise each day – tough as it may seem. Today, its stormy and windy out, so I am going to do some yoga inside. You KNOW that at the other end of the tunnel is freedom and healing and health and a new life for you. That could be a week away. A month. Even longer. But you have to keep going towards the end of the tunnel, taking care of yourself on the way, and always moving in the right direction. Wow long post, but I really am feeling for you right now. Moll…just do what it takes. Sleep is my escape too, and my body craves it even more than it craves smoking. Warm baths to soothe the jangly nerves. A good book to lose yourself in for a while. A glass of wine to relax you if its not a trigger. Anything. Go for it Moll. Paula :-)

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Steve S., I found a postive in the middle of all this, and so, can add to your list: Food tastes great! Best soft boiled eggs i have ever eaten. Also, I am a member of the circles in which it is said: "you are just where you  are supposed to be". What a timely thought to be expressed by you. Moll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi MM, > I think all of us here can relate to where you’re at.  My first three weeks > was like I was a zombie… completely out of touch with my feelings and what > was going on around me.  Kind of like I was just numb.  Following the first > three weeks, I kind of went on an emotional roller coaster… each day > brought new crises and tragedies.  Choosing to smoke was a decision that > never was far away.  Of course, if there is a possibility of clinical > depression vs. just having the "blues" you need to rely on your Dr.s advice. > I don’t know… something clicked at about two months.  I just had a feeling > that the worst was past, that life was happening all around me, and that I > wasn’t being singled out for a special ration of shit.  I have heard others > speak of similar occurrences. > One of the things early on that helped me get through the rough spots was > allowing myself to isolate and be a slug for awhile.  I am a Type A kind of > guy, and I am not really used to doing nothing.  But I allowed myself to be > lazy until things started getting better.  I exercised, I drank tons of > water, I "read and posted" and I held on minute by minute. > I think what happened to me at around the two month mark is I stopped seeing > the romance of smoking.  I started to view those who still smoked as "having > to smoke" rather than "getting to smoke."  Once that happened, my feelings > changed from jealousy to gratitude.  I don’t have to smoke today. > The feeling that I get from taking control of this addiction today is one of > freedom.  I like it that I don’t stink, cough, hide, puff, choke, hack, burn > holes in clothes and furniture, sneak around, smoke in the rain and wind, > and wheeze.  I like it that I can now go anywhere I want without checking to > see that I’ve got enough cigs, and knowing that I don’t have to excuse > myself and duck out to smoke.  I like it that I don’t have to clean my truck > windows and carpet every week, and I like it that I can ride my bike and > climb stairs without getting winded.  The list goes on… why don’t you see > what you can add to my list? > When I was just trying to get sober a few years ago, whenever I was in a > tough spot I always whined and complained about it.  The response the > old-timers would give me was (and I fuckin hated to hear it) "You’re right > where you’re supposed to be." > Moll… you’re  right where you’re supposed to be. > SteveS > QOF > Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as > well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep > whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made > an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self > care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness > to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally > bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so > sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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It is very heartwarming to find a kindred sister in this fight I wage against the nicodemon. Just got out of a warm bath, and sipping tea. All warm stuff to get me through. Moll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <snipped some great honest stuff> > Moll, said it before and I will say it again…you and I have parallel > quits. Same emotions, same weariness, same sensitivity. > I saw my doc last week and am waiting on blood test results, just to rule > out anything medical that may be contributing towards this depression. Today > actually feels a little better in terms of my mood – no tears yet, and I > even got out of bed at a reasonable hour. > I guess what I am saying is that I am there with you, but we will be able to > get through this. One thing the doc said to me was to try and get some > exercise each day – tough as it may seem. Today, its stormy and windy out, > so I am going to do some yoga inside. > You KNOW that at the other end of the tunnel is freedom and healing and > health and a new life for you. That could be a week away. A month. Even > longer. But you have to keep going towards the end of the tunnel, taking > care of yourself on the way, and always moving in the right direction. > Wow long post, but I really am feeling for you right now. Moll…just do > what it takes. Sleep is my escape too, and my body craves it even more than > it craves smoking. Warm baths to soothe the jangly nerves. A good book to > lose yourself in for a while. A glass of wine to relax you if its not a > trigger. > Anything. Go for it Moll. > Paula :-)

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> At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

You are so right, keep doing what you gotta do! What it is like…  well, cigs don’t enter my mind very often these days. Not only do I NOT eat candy all day anymore, I am down to one Pepsi a day!  We are working on the sugars now.  I am getting much better on the anger management, while I still seem to get confused easily I am able to shrug shoulders and brush it off.  I don’t sleep all the time, and I am down to one good cry per month.  OK, two cries.  Both limited to 10 minutes.  No naps.  No gorging oneself with food.  My kids both mention how happy they are that I quit. My Mom mentions how happy she is that I quit.  It’s very cool (50) out today and I am in the house, baking and painting and I don’t have to take any smoke breaks!  Whooooohhhoooooooooooo! Remember:  The tunnel just SEEMS endless.  It DOES get better! With hope and heart, Kathleen

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>At this point, there is no > way out but through.

Actually, you have found the answer right there. >Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel.

OK.  Unpleasant though the journey may be, endless though it may seem, it is very nice at my end of the tunnel.  No more doubts about whether you can do it or whether it is worth it, just the satisfaction of knowing that you can do anything you set your mind to if you’re willing to work hard enough for long enough to achieve your goal.  Keep travelling. Dawn Two years, eleven months, three days, 16 hours, 40 minutes and 28 seconds. 32060 cigarettes not smoked, saving $8,415.64. Life saved: 15 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, 40 minutes. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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something to add to that list: you have now nice white clean teeth and no yellow finger’s from smoking anymore. Some extra money to buy nice things. Carmen a proud nonsmoker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi MM, > I think all of us here can relate to where you’re at.  My first three weeks > was like I was a zombie… completely out of touch with my feelings and what > was going on around me.  Kind of like I was just numb.  Following the first > three weeks, I kind of went on an emotional roller coaster… each day > brought new crises and tragedies.  Choosing to smoke was a decision that > never was far away.  Of course, if there is a possibility of clinical > depression vs. just having the "blues" you need to rely on your Dr.s advice. > I don’t know… something clicked at about two months.  I just had a feeling > that the worst was past, that life was happening all around me, and that I > wasn’t being singled out for a special ration of shit.  I have heard others > speak of similar occurrences. > One of the things early on that helped me get through the rough spots was > allowing myself to isolate and be a slug for awhile.  I am a Type A kind of > guy, and I am not really used to doing nothing.  But I allowed myself to be > lazy until things started getting better.  I exercised, I drank tons of > water, I "read and posted" and I held on minute by minute. > I think what happened to me at around the two month mark is I stopped seeing > the romance of smoking.  I started to view those who still smoked as "having > to smoke" rather than "getting to smoke."  Once that happened, my feelings > changed from jealousy to gratitude.  I don’t have to smoke today. > The feeling that I get from taking control of this addiction today is one of > freedom.  I like it that I don’t stink, cough, hide, puff, choke, hack, burn > holes in clothes and furniture, sneak around, smoke in the rain and wind, > and wheeze.  I like it that I can now go anywhere I want without checking to > see that I’ve got enough cigs, and knowing that I don’t have to excuse > myself and duck out to smoke.  I like it that I don’t have to clean my truck > windows and carpet every week, and I like it that I can ride my bike and > climb stairs without getting winded.  The list goes on… why don’t you see > what you can add to my list? > When I was just trying to get sober a few years ago, whenever I was in a > tough spot I always whined and complained about it.  The response the > old-timers would give me was (and I fuckin hated to hear it) "You’re right > where you’re supposed to be." > Moll… you’re  right where you’re supposed to be. > SteveS > QOF > Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as > well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep > whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made > an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self > care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness > to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally > bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so > sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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you might want to give some  thought to using a NRT if you continue to feel lousy. VERY GRADUAL withdrawal from nicotine usually goes much smoother. — read and post daily, it works! rosie http://www.stopthehunger.com/go/donate/donation … focus on the journey, not the destination.  Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it.                                 g.anderson (readandpostatyahoo.com)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, I had the help of wellbutrin, given me for a depressive tendancy as well > as an eventual quit aid. Now I am all kinds of bummed out. I sleep whenever > I can, I am sporadically even keel or snappy as hell at work, my belly has > butterflies in it, I am fearing a biggie depression coming on. > I have consulted with my MD, who upped my dosage of wellbutrin. Also made an > appointment to see the psychiatrist, which is as far as I can take self care > on this matter. > I do notice one thing: Each day brings a diffferent element of lousiness to > it. And, so, that proves to me that I can not be stone cold depressed. > Yesterday morning I felt like everything I did was brand new, with out > smokes, that i was as sensitive as a baby.  Yesterday afternoon, i was > overwhelmingly weary. Today I slept in as much as possible, totally bummed. > Just now, feel like I wanna grab all comfort measures possible, including > the luxury of this post. > Quitting has never proven to be as difficult before. Why am  I so sensitive > to each nuance of this trek towards smobriety? At this point, there is no > way out but through. Keep me goin with your promises of what it is like at > the other end of this seemingly endless tunnel. > Moll > Smoke free 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 minute, 50 seconds.

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Rika, I just got back from a business trip and saw this.  Congratulations, you are on your way, buddy! SteveS

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you Keven.We are really Non-smoker,man!Thank you for your posts. > Rika,(Last Cig:July 15th, 2002) > "Keven" > Congratulations on QOF Rika!!! > It’s much easier now. Just don’t ever forget what it’s like to be a smoker > (all the bad stuff).

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Thank you Keven.We are really Non-smoker,man!Thank you for your posts. Rika,(Last Cig:July 15th, 2002) "Keven" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Congratulations on QOF Rika!!! > It’s much easier now. Just don’t ever forget what it’s like to be a smoker > (all the bad stuff).

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Dion, I won’t start again.this try is my last try and it has to be successful one for ever.Thank you for your support Rika, "Dion" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you Rika for staying smoke free. Congrats on QOF. > Dion

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"mc" Thank you for your support. Rika, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys I > got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that I > was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine and > almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out regularly but > who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to SteveS, Katheleen, > Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) > That is awesome, congrats!!!

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> I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys I > got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that I > was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine and > almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out regularly but > who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to SteveS, Katheleen, > Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002)

That is awesome, congrats!!! — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. http://mcgonzalez.home.att.net

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Whooooooohooooooo Rika!!!! I’m so glad you have stuck with it!!! And stopped in to tell us about it!!!! We love you too!!!!! With hope and heart, Kathleen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys > I got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that > I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine > and almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out > regularly but who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to > SteveS, Katheleen, Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) > "FOUR LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN ALL AGES IN NORTH AMERICA" > – Heart Disease(32%) > – ALL Cancers(24%) > – Strokes(7%) > – COPD(Emphysema,Bronchitis)(5%) > As you see they all have something in common and it’s "SMOKING"!!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys > I got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that > I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine > and almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out > regularly but who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to > SteveS, Katheleen, Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) > "FOUR LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN ALL AGES IN NORTH AMERICA" > – Heart Disease(32%) > – ALL Cancers(24%) > – Strokes(7%) > – COPD(Emphysema,Bronchitis)(5%) > As you see they all have something in common and it’s "SMOKING"!!!!

WTG, Rika! It should be very much easier from now on.  Just remember: there is no such thing as "just one".  It doesn’t work that way.  As long as you can stick to that you’ll have made it forever! Congratulations! :D *hugs* —   BinnieBee – Proudly quit for over 11 months now!      %%    (—-)   ( >__< )   ^^ ~~ ^^   ~f3as3~

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I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys I got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine and almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out regularly but who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to SteveS, Katheleen, Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. Rika, (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) "FOUR LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN ALL AGES IN NORTH AMERICA" – Heart Disease(32%) – ALL Cancers(24%) – Strokes(7%) – COPD(Emphysema,Bronchitis)(5%) As you see they all have something in common and it’s "SMOKING"!!!!

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Thank you Rika for staying smoke free. Congrats on QOF. Dion — Singing in the sunshine, laughing in the rain.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys > I got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that > I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine > and almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out > regularly but who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to > SteveS, Katheleen, Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) > "FOUR LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN ALL AGES IN NORTH AMERICA" > – Heart Disease(32%) > – ALL Cancers(24%) > – Strokes(7%) > – COPD(Emphysema,Bronchitis)(5%) > As you see they all have something in common and it’s "SMOKING"!!!!

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Thank you for your support.You are absolutly right, there is no such option "only one!"Guess what? I even tried drinking(Beer),but it was with non-smokers pals and I was fine.Anyway, sorry to reply late!because I still using "Google Group" and it take 9-10 hours to post.Good luck. "BinnieBee" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> WTG, Rika! It should be very much easier from now on.  Just remember: > there is no such thing as "just one".  It doesn’t work that way.  As > long as you can stick to that you’ll have made it forever! > Congratulations! :D > *hugs*

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Thank You Kathleen for your beautiful link to Yoga.I’m here almost everyday and read a lot.Later Rika,(last Cig: July 15th, 2002) "Kathleen" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Whooooooohooooooo Rika!!!! > I’m so glad you have stuck with it!!! > And stopped in to tell us about it!!!! > We love you too!!!!! > With hope and heart, > Kathleen

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Congratulations on QOF Rika!!! It’s much easier now. Just don’t ever forget what it’s like to be a smoker (all the bad stuff). — Life starts without addiction. "Rika" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that > I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine > and almost no craving.

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I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys I got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine and almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out regularly but who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to SteveS, Katheleen, Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. Rika, (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) "FOUR LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN ALL AGES IN NORTH AMERICA" – Heart Disease(32%) – ALL Cancers(24%) – Strokes(7%) – COPD(Emphysema,Bronchitis)(5%) As you see they all have something in common and it’s "SMOKING"!!!!

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Thank you Rika for staying smoke free. Congrats on QOF. Dion — Singing in the sunshine, laughing in the rain.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys > I got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that > I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine > and almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out > regularly but who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to > SteveS, Katheleen, Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) > "FOUR LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN ALL AGES IN NORTH AMERICA" > – Heart Disease(32%) > – ALL Cancers(24%) > – Strokes(7%) > – COPD(Emphysema,Bronchitis)(5%) > As you see they all have something in common and it’s "SMOKING"!!!!

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> I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys I > got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that I > was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine and > almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out regularly but > who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to SteveS, Katheleen, > Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002)

That is awesome, congrats!!! — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. http://mcgonzalez.home.att.net

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Whooooooohooooooo Rika!!!! I’m so glad you have stuck with it!!! And stopped in to tell us about it!!!! We love you too!!!!! With hope and heart, Kathleen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys > I got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that > I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine > and almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out > regularly but who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to > SteveS, Katheleen, Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) > "FOUR LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN ALL AGES IN NORTH AMERICA" > – Heart Disease(32%) > – ALL Cancers(24%) > – Strokes(7%) > – COPD(Emphysema,Bronchitis)(5%) > As you see they all have something in common and it’s "SMOKING"!!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys > I got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that > I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine > and almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out > regularly but who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to > SteveS, Katheleen, Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) > "FOUR LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN ALL AGES IN NORTH AMERICA" > – Heart Disease(32%) > – ALL Cancers(24%) > – Strokes(7%) > – COPD(Emphysema,Bronchitis)(5%) > As you see they all have something in common and it’s "SMOKING"!!!!

WTG, Rika! It should be very much easier from now on.  Just remember: there is no such thing as "just one".  It doesn’t work that way.  As long as you can stick to that you’ll have made it forever! Congratulations! :D *hugs* —   BinnieBee – Proudly quit for over 11 months now!      %%    (—-)   ( >__< )   ^^ ~~ ^^   ~f3as3~

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Congratulations on QOF Rika!!! It’s much easier now. Just don’t ever forget what it’s like to be a smoker (all the bad stuff). — Life starts without addiction. "Rika" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that > I was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine > and almost no craving.

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Thank you for your support.You are absolutly right, there is no such option "only one!"Guess what? I even tried drinking(Beer),but it was with non-smokers pals and I was fine.Anyway, sorry to reply late!because I still using "Google Group" and it take 9-10 hours to post.Good luck. "BinnieBee" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> WTG, Rika! It should be very much easier from now on.  Just remember: > there is no such thing as "just one".  It doesn’t work that way.  As > long as you can stick to that you’ll have made it forever! > Congratulations! :D > *hugs*

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Thank You Kathleen for your beautiful link to Yoga.I’m here almost everyday and read a lot.Later Rika,(last Cig: July 15th, 2002) "Kathleen" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Whooooooohooooooo Rika!!!! > I’m so glad you have stuck with it!!! > And stopped in to tell us about it!!!! > We love you too!!!!! > With hope and heart, > Kathleen

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Thank you Keven.We are really Non-smoker,man!Thank you for your posts. Rika,(Last Cig:July 15th, 2002) "Keven" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Congratulations on QOF Rika!!! > It’s much easier now. Just don’t ever forget what it’s like to be a smoker > (all the bad stuff).

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Dion, I won’t start again.this try is my last try and it has to be successful one for ever.Thank you for your support Rika, "Dion" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you Rika for staying smoke free. Congrats on QOF. > Dion

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"mc" Thank you for your support. Rika, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just can’t believe that!Never been this much far (I mean 3m + ).Guys I > got to tell you something. Believe it or not,sometimes I forgot that I > was smoker before.I got the same amount of stress daily but I’m fine and > almost no craving.I have to confess that I don’t work out regularly but > who cares?AS3 I love you.Thank you.Special thanks to SteveS, Katheleen, > Keven, BinnieBee,Dion, Sally,Jef and Amy. > Rika, > (Last Cigarette: July 15,2002) > That is awesome, congrats!!!

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Rika, I just got back from a business trip and saw this.  Congratulations, you are on your way, buddy! SteveS

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you Keven.We are really Non-smoker,man!Thank you for your posts. > Rika,(Last Cig:July 15th, 2002) > "Keven" > Congratulations on QOF Rika!!! > It’s much easier now. Just don’t ever forget what it’s like to be a smoker > (all the bad stuff).

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Paula, Did you read the Quitbuddies web page? All you have to do to have a cigarette (if you really want one), is just have 6 people from AS3 sign a paper (you can get the form on the website) and then you can smoke!!! That’s the rules!   I know… we make it too easy. Good goin Paula!!!   STAY!!!! — There’s just nothing good that a cigarette can do. "Paula" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just keep ignoring all those "I want a cigarette" cries from my > poor old brain.

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Been reading the posts this afternoon, so many struggling. Just hold on, take a deep breath, and remember why you wanted to quit in the first place – this pain too shall pass! Have to say, day three has been pretty good for me despite being back at the office – I just keep ignoring all those "I want a cigarette" cries from my poor old brain. I am using patches and so far have found them good, and I have a long list of things that I must do when I want a cigarette – 10 situps, a glass of water, dance to a song on the radio, a quick walk, cuddle the cat, 50 yoga breaths… So far it seems to be working…hang in there all of you, don’t give up, keep at it! You have quit, you are quit, you will never smoke again…don’t lose all that hard work you have put in so far, this will pass, honest it will. And better a bit of pain and suffering now than what could happen in a few years if you kept smoking. Just imagine the doctor saying to you "you have cancer…or whatever else it might be" and you having to tell your loved ones….your kids….your friends "I am dying and I could have prevented it"… Keep it up! Paula Two days, 20 hours, 21 minutes and 27 seconds. 42 cigarettes not smoked, saving $19.33. Life saved: 3 hours, 30 minutes.

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Been reading the posts this afternoon, so many struggling. Just hold on, take a deep breath, and remember why you wanted to quit in the first place – this pain too shall pass! Have to say, day three has been pretty good for me despite being back at the office – I just keep ignoring all those "I want a cigarette" cries from my poor old brain. I am using patches and so far have found them good, and I have a long list of things that I must do when I want a cigarette – 10 situps, a glass of water, dance to a song on the radio, a quick walk, cuddle the cat, 50 yoga breaths… So far it seems to be working…hang in there all of you, don’t give up, keep at it! You have quit, you are quit, you will never smoke again…don’t lose all that hard work you have put in so far, this will pass, honest it will. And better a bit of pain and suffering now than what could happen in a few years if you kept smoking. Just imagine the doctor saying to you "you have cancer…or whatever else it might be" and you having to tell your loved ones….your kids….your friends "I am dying and I could have prevented it"… Keep it up! Paula Two days, 20 hours, 21 minutes and 27 seconds. 42 cigarettes not smoked, saving $19.33. Life saved: 3 hours, 30 minutes.

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Paula, Did you read the Quitbuddies web page? All you have to do to have a cigarette (if you really want one), is just have 6 people from AS3 sign a paper (you can get the form on the website) and then you can smoke!!! That’s the rules!   I know… we make it too easy. Good goin Paula!!!   STAY!!!! — There’s just nothing good that a cigarette can do. "Paula" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just keep ignoring all those "I want a cigarette" cries from my > poor old brain.

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>(Is this one of those noun/verb things?)

Yup. Tearing your hair out over bad grammar and spelling is useless. I had to let that go a long time ago. Ana

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>breath, deep, deep breaths!

Ok, my server is really slow and I’ve been holding my breath since 5:00 EST, that Equates to 3:00 mountain time, and 12:35 GMT. I’ve turn forty shades of blue and now I’m on my back. Coufhing, oppss>>>> lung cokkie.     ((( sorry , having a brain in my party  ))))    tee hhee cw Craig Watts 5 ‘ems

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> breath, deep, deep breaths!

Thanks for the reminder rosie! With hope and heart, Kathleen

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breath, deep, deep breaths!

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> breath, deep, deep breaths!

Breath re: smoking? I thought: "Bad". Breathe, though, would point me toward a centering yoga-like excercise. Best – Tom (Is this one of those noun/verb things?)

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>breath, deep, deep breaths!

     How long do I have to hold it in? Can I let it out yet? xxxCheryl Faith 1M,1W,2D

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breath, deep, deep breaths!

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> breath, deep, deep breaths!

Breath re: smoking? I thought: "Bad". Breathe, though, would point me toward a centering yoga-like excercise. Best – Tom (Is this one of those noun/verb things?)

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>breath, deep, deep breaths!

     How long do I have to hold it in? Can I let it out yet? xxxCheryl Faith 1M,1W,2D

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>(Is this one of those noun/verb things?)

Yup. Tearing your hair out over bad grammar and spelling is useless. I had to let that go a long time ago. Ana

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>breath, deep, deep breaths!

Ok, my server is really slow and I’ve been holding my breath since 5:00 EST, that Equates to 3:00 mountain time, and 12:35 GMT. I’ve turn forty shades of blue and now I’m on my back. Coufhing, oppss>>>> lung cokkie.     ((( sorry , having a brain in my party  ))))    tee hhee cw Craig Watts 5 ‘ems

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> breath, deep, deep breaths!

Thanks for the reminder rosie! With hope and heart, Kathleen

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Get a good nights sleep. Should be easy with that good news. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Organization: The Very Big Corporation > Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis > Hi, everyone. > I’m usually such a beacon of gloom but, today, it’s good news. > To recap:  Steve failed a stress test, got put in the hospital, given > a heart cath, told he needed triple bypass surgery immediately. > We went to a new cardiologist last week and the guy sort of hem hawed > around for nearly a week.  Yesterday, he called to say he wasn’t > recommending surgery at this time.  Instead, we’re trying reversal and > EECP. > Yay! > I was so happy, I got goosebumps. > The doctor, who resembles Jeff Goldblum, now thinks me a total idiot. > I gibbered. > Thank you all for your support.  I needed it.  I was an absolute > wreck.  Now I’m just exhausted, but it’s happy exhaustion. > — > Julie Carter > You put Ohiohills in; you take the Yahoo out; > you put Ohiohills in and you type your message out. > You do the hokey pokey and you drop Julie a line. > That’s what email’s about.

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>I’m usually such a beacon of gloom but, today, it’s good news.

That is wonderful kiddo! Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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:-) LOLOL If your happy,,,I am happy.  Good news for sure. Harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, everyone. > I’m usually such a beacon of gloom but, today, it’s good news. > To recap:  Steve failed a stress test, got put in the hospital, given > a heart cath, told he needed triple bypass surgery immediately. > We went to a new cardiologist last week and the guy sort of hem hawed > around for nearly a week.  Yesterday, he called to say he wasn’t > recommending surgery at this time.  Instead, we’re trying reversal and > EECP. > Yay! > I was so happy, I got goosebumps. > The doctor, who resembles Jeff Goldblum, now thinks me a total idiot. > I gibbered. > Thank you all for your support.  I needed it.  I was an absolute > wreck.  Now I’m just exhausted, but it’s happy exhaustion. > — > Julie Carter > You put Ohiohills in; you take the Yahoo out; > you put Ohiohills in and you type your message out. > You do the hokey pokey and you drop Julie a line. > That’s what email’s about.

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great news, julie! i’m a big fan of those second opinions. what do you mean by "reversal?" the dean ornish type of reversal? if so, i’ve been there and can help with recipes and such. diane

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> great news, julie! i’m a big fan of those second opinions. > what do you mean by "reversal?" the dean ornish type of reversal? if so, i’ve > been there and can help with recipes and such. > diane

i’ve never heard the term ‘reversal’ used in connection to eecp either. perhaps, julie means reversal in that the eecp process helps promote new colateral natural bypasses to develop to the blood starved areas of the heart?  i’m interested in hearing what she means too.  now, you have me wondering what a ‘dean ornish reversal’ is, diane. kate

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the wind, melodiously: >great news, julie! i’m a big fan of those second opinions. >what do you mean by "reversal?" the dean ornish type of reversal? if so, i’ve >been there and can help with recipes and such.

Hi, Diane. Yep, Ornish-type reversal, though I think we might end up following K. Lance Gould’s guidelines, which are a little different.  Still extremely low-fat, but higher protein, and less carbohydrate.  Steve has a problem with triglycerides and he is a diabetic, so controlling carbohydrates is important. — Julie Carter You put Ohiohills in; you take the Yahoo out; you put Ohiohills in and you type your message out. You do the hokey pokey and you drop Julie a line. That’s what email’s about.

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whistled into the wind, melodiously: > great news, julie! i’m a big fan of those second opinions. > what do you mean by "reversal?" the dean ornish type of reversal? if so, >i’ve > been there and can help with recipes and such. > diane >i’ve never heard the term ‘reversal’ used in connection to eecp either. >perhaps, julie means reversal in that the eecp process helps promote new >colateral natural bypasses to develop to the blood starved areas of the >heart?  i’m interested in hearing what she means too.  now, you have me >wondering what a ‘dean ornish reversal’ is, diane.

Hey, Kate. Reversal and eecp are two different things.  A reversal program was studied by Dr. Dean Ornish, and found that an extremely low-fat diet, coupled with exercise and, in Ornish’s program, meditation could actually reverse the buildup of atherosclerotic plaques in the coronary arteries. The Ornish program is the only treatment that has any evidence that it actually reverses heart disease.  We’re probably going with a slight modification of Ornish’s program which was designed by one of the doctors who worked with Ornish–K. Lance Gould.  Because Steve is diabetic, we’re considering Gould the better option.  He is still extremely low-fat (under 10%), but wants the ratio of protein to carbohydrate to be higher. Steve’s new cardiologist is extremely enthusiastic about reversal programs, and that helps enormously. — Julie Carter You put Ohiohills in; you take the Yahoo out; you put Ohiohills in and you type your message out. You do the hokey pokey and you drop Julie a line. That’s what email’s about.

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hi again, julie, i’m interested in the "modified ornish". is this on the web somewhere? when my ex husband had a heart attack in 94, we got involved with the ornish program. my ex was already a vegetarian, so it was easy for him. he also started meditation, yoga, exercise and he developed a support group, all considered a part of the ornish program. my ex did very well, but found he could not lower his cholesterol until he modified the diet by adding some "good" fats. this is not usually the case, but was for him. now his cholesterol is quite low and he’s doing fine. i hope the same for your hubby. diane

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the wind, melodiously: >hi again, julie, >i’m interested in the "modified ornish". is this on the web somewhere?

I’m not sure if Gould has a huge web presence.  He has a book called "Heal Your Heart" which details his guidelines.  The book is repetitive, but it’s still a good resource. I don’t know what Ornish says as of today, but a few years ago he was less than enthusiastic about statins and other drugs for cholesterol. Gould is big on statins, so that’s a major difference. I’d be happy to tell you anything else I know about the program, which isn’t all that much. >when my ex husband had a heart attack in 94, we got involved with the ornish >program. my ex was already a vegetarian, so it was easy for him. he also >started meditation, yoga, exercise and he developed a support group, all >considered a part of the ornish program. my ex did very well, but found he >could not lower his cholesterol until he modified the diet by adding some >"good" fats. this is not usually the case, but was for him. now his cholesterol >is quite low and he’s doing fine. i hope the same for your hubby.

Did he adopt some of the Mediterranean diet ideas? I’m nosy.  Is he on cholesterol lowering medication? — Julie Carter You put Ohiohills in; you take the Yahoo out; you put Ohiohills in and you type your message out. You do the hokey pokey and you drop Julie a line. That’s what email’s about.

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>Did he adopt some of the Mediterranean diet ideas?

yes, regarding olive oil and other mono(?) saturated fats, but still no meat, fish or fowl. >I’m nosy.  Is he on cholesterol lowering medication?

yes, but it didn’t help until he added the fats. diane

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Hi, everyone. I’m usually such a beacon of gloom but, today, it’s good news. To recap:  Steve failed a stress test, got put in the hospital, given a heart cath, told he needed triple bypass surgery immediately. We went to a new cardiologist last week and the guy sort of hem hawed around for nearly a week.  Yesterday, he called to say he wasn’t recommending surgery at this time.  Instead, we’re trying reversal and EECP. Yay! I was so happy, I got goosebumps. The doctor, who resembles Jeff Goldblum, now thinks me a total idiot. I gibbered. Thank you all for your support.  I needed it.  I was an absolute wreck.  Now I’m just exhausted, but it’s happy exhaustion. — Julie Carter You put Ohiohills in; you take the Yahoo out; you put Ohiohills in and you type your message out. You do the hokey pokey and you drop Julie a line. That’s what email’s about.

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY! (((((((hugs)))))  ((((((happy dance))))) that is wonderful news, julie!  will keep the prayers going for you and steve and that this does the job!  i’m totally happy for you guys! kate

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