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I actually met this slimeball myself.  He lives in Bangor, Maine where my wife & I used to live.  My wife knew Tobin when they both went to Bates College, you know one of those "liberal" Northeast colleges. This guys is typical of the Karl Rove, "New" Republican thinking, i.e., the end justifies the means. I believe he’s up for sentencing & could get 5 years in prison. Former RNC New England Regional Director Convicted In New Hampshire Phone Jamming Case -http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2005/December/05_crm_672.html. "WASHINGTON, D.C. — After a four-day trial, a jury in Concord, New Hampshire today convicted James Tobin, the former New England Regional Director of the Republican National Committee, of charges stemming from a scheme to disrupt phone service to five Democratic Party offices and a firefighters’ ride-to-the-polls program on Election Day 2002, the Department of Justice announced today." Federal judge lowers sentence for man who testified against Tobin – http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/02/06/federal_ju… Mr Soul

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> "New" Republican thinking, i.e., > the end justifies the means.

That typifies YOUR approach! Too late to play that game, you have been caught.

> The clause was not right above his signature, so please stop lying.

I will NOT let YOUR LYING go any more. PROVE the location of the CLAUSE. You know damn well that it was on a page PREVIOUS to the one that Franken signed, you LYING FOOL. You have admitted that the clause was IN the Agreement, so it was either BEFORE or AFTER Franken’s signature. PROVE the location of the CLAUSE. PROVE it you LYING ASSHOLE.

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> > "New" Republican thinking, i.e., > the end justifies the means. > That typifies YOUR approach!

Nope. Yours.

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You need to calm down.  Have you considered mediation? Mr Soul

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>You need to calm down.  Have you considered mediation?

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Do you notice the level of detail he goes to investigate Democrat’s and/or calling liberals liars? Mr Soul

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Boy they’re dropping like flies today – Ex-governor [Republican] convicted of racketeering – http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12356536/. Too bad & I kind of liked this guy, given his position on the death penalty. Mr Soul

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From an indy’s observation……Franken was hilarious on SNL, but like all hollywood types, should have stayed there, no one listens to their spewing, well actually they DO listen, but those types have no effect on the outcome of anything thank goodness. They are entertainers, the only thing they are good at is entertaining, so shut up and entertain. But come to think of it, the spewing is entertaining as well. Listening to an actor or musician rant on politics is the same as having to watch commercials in a movie friggin down.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> "New" Republican thinking, i.e., >> the end justifies the means. >That typifies YOUR approach! > Quit changing the subject, asshole.  What, no comments on widespread > Republican corruption and dirty tricks, subversion of democracy?  All you > can do is bring up Al Franken… who isn’t even a politician or an elected > official.

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More on this – http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060410/ap_on_go_pr_wh/election_phone_jam…. Tobin actually made two dozen calls to the WH during a period of 3 days around the election.  I wonder who he called there? The RNC has spend over $2 million defending this guy. Mr Soul

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> You need to calm down.  Have you considered mediation?

Too funny! We are still waiting for you to verify your latest LIE. > I’ve already said where the clause is – can you read?

Back in Feb you stated that there was NO such clause. You then posted a link and told me to find it. I found it. Then you admitted to the existence of the clause, but denied what it meant. It means what it says since amazingly, WORDS mean things! Two days ago, you said that the clause was in the middle of the Agreement. I called you on that and you later admitted that it was NOT in the middle. I them stated that the clause was above Franken’s signature. Then…

> The clause was not right above his signature, so please stop lying.

I will NOT let YOUR LYING go any more. PROVE the location of the CLAUSE. You know damn well that it was on a page PREVIOUS to the one that Franken signed, you LYING FOOL. You have admitted that the clause was IN the Agreement, so it was either BEFORE or AFTER Franken’s signature. You made the claim now PROVE the location of the CLAUSE.

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> Do you notice the level of detail he goes to investigate Democrat’s > and/or calling liberals liars?

The level of detail is purely to expose you, and your lies. We are still waiting for you to verify your latest LIE. > I’ve already said where the clause is – can you read?

Back in Feb you stated that there was NO such clause. You then posted a link and told me to find it. I found it. Then you admitted to the existence of the clause, but denied what it meant. It means what it says since amazingly, WORDS mean things! Two days ago, you said that the clause was in the middle of the Agreement. I called you on that and you later admitted that it was NOT in the middle. I them stated that the clause was above Franken’s signature. Then…

> The clause was not right above his signature, so please stop lying.

I will not let your lying by go any more. PROVE the location of the CLAUSE. You know damn well that it was on a page PREVIOUS to the one that Franken signed, you LYING FOOL. You have admitted that the clause was IN the Agreement, so it was either BEFORE or AFTER Franken’s signature. Time to verify your claim and PROVE the location of the clause.

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> clause

Boring. And stupid. Give up. You’ve lost.

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Have you consider green tea?  I would stop injusting all caffeine if I were you.  I would also consider yoga in place of swing dancing.  My guess is that dancing just jazz’s you up. Mr Soul

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Show us one conservative and/or Republican that you have paid such careful attention to the details.  You won’t be able to find any because there are none.  You are as biased and partisan as they come and if you would just admit, we could all let the aminosities drop. Mr Soul

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"injusting" should read "ingesting".  Man – I need a spell checker on Google.

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> Show us one conservative and/or Republican that you have paid such > careful attention to the details.

There haven’t been any Conservatives lying in this forum. That has grown to be the sole claim to fame for YOU, Pixie, and Playon. We are still waiting for you to verify your latest LIE. > I’ve already said where the clause is – can you read?

Back in Feb you stated that there was NO such clause. You then posted a link and told me to find it. I found it. Then you admitted to the existence of the clause, but denied what it meant. It means what it says since amazingly, WORDS mean things! Two days ago, you said that the clause was in the middle of the Agreement. I called you on that and you later admitted that it was NOT in the middle. I them stated that the clause was above Franken’s signature. Then…

> The clause was not right above his signature, so please stop lying.

I will not let your lying by go any more. PROVE the location of the CLAUSE. You know damn well that it was on a page PREVIOUS to the one that Franken signed, you LYING FOOL. You have admitted that the clause was IN the Agreement, so it was either BEFORE or AFTER Franken’s signature. Time to verify your claim and PROVE the location of the clause.

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[snip] >There haven’t been any Conservatives lying in this forum. That has grown to >be the sole claim to fame for YOU, Pixie, and Playon.

[snip] ROTFLMAO — there goes the very last wisp of Wheaton’s credibility, gone up in a microscopic puff of smoke…        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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> Back in Feb you stated that there was NO such clause.

I doubt if I really said that, unless I was confused about what clause we were talking about. > Time to verify your claim and PROVE the location of the clause.

No – you need to do that.  You claimed that Franken signed his name right below the clause & that is NOT true. I guess that makes you aaaaaa LIAR? Mr Soul

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Don’t love you Wheaton?!?!  There’s no arrogance with him. Mr Soul

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> Back in Feb you stated that there was NO such clause. > I doubt if I really said that, unless I was confused about what clause > we were talking about.

You are a vast reservour of doubt and confusion as you prove daily. > Time to verify your claim and PROVE the location of the clause. > No – you need to do that.

> The clause was not right above his signature, so please stop lying.

I asked you verify THAT claim, and you have NOT.

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> There haven’t been any Conservatives lying in this forum

If that wasn’t such a pathetic (and untrue) statement it’d be hilarious.

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> ROTFLMAO — there goes the very last wisp of Wheaton’s credibility, gone > up in a > microscopic puff of smoke…

Please do point out any Conservative that has been lying in this forum as of late, especially with the frequency of Mr Soul, Pixie, and Playon. Also, when there are any posts by anyone Conservative, there are plenty of posters from the Left that go charging in. How many from the Left charged in to correct Gore received a majority of the votes? Not only was that false, others on the Left jumped into affirm that fallacious statement. There are many, many more, but that is enough to make the point. There was a time that there was a certain well known Right Winger that started OT Threads and I did correct a few comments in those, but as of late, have you seen anyone Conservative posting who went unanswered?

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That’s correct – doubt & confusion when it comes to understanding you. Mr Soul

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You’re an asshole.  I admitted that I got the Gore figure wrong, so no-one needed to CHARGE in.  However, I didn’t see any "conservative" come in & dispell you misleading statements about voting for the majority who voted against Gore.  That was plain not true & you bloody know it. In your world, only liberals lie which of course it just not true. Mr Soul

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> You’re an asshole.

You are just tired of getting called on your crap. I admitted that I got the Gore figure wrong, so > no-one needed to CHARGE in.

You made that claim in different YEARS, both times wrong, and both times I corrected you. The problem is not that you were wrong, it is your memory. I’ll correct you and you forget the correction and later DEMAND that I provide info that I had earlier provided at your request. It happens amazingly often. However, I didn’t see any "conservative" > come in & dispell you misleading statements about voting for the > majority who voted against Gore.  That was plain not true & you bloody > know it.

1) I was having some fun at your expense. 2) It was accurate. > In your world, only liberals lie which of course it just not true.

Not true as I have corrected on both sides of the fence but with OT Threads running Lefty 10 to 1, the targets will be a bit skewed.

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Masters of Sleaze By DAVID BROOKS Down in the depths of the netherworld, where Tammany Hall grafters and Chicago ward heelers gather amid spittoons and brass railings, a reverential silence now spreads across the communion. The sleazemasters of old look back into the land of the mortals and they see greatness in the form of Jack Abramoff. Only a genius like Abramoff could make money lobbying against an Indian tribe’s casino and then turn around and make money defending that tribe against himself. Only a giant like Abramoff would have the guts to use one tribe’s casino money to finance a Focus on the Family crusade against gambling in order to shut down a rival tribe’s casino. Only an artist like Abramoff could suggest to a tribe that it pay him by taking out life insurance policies on its eldest members. Then when the elders dropped off they could funnel the insurance money through a private school and into his pockets. This is sleaze of a high order. And yet according to reports in The Washington Post and elsewhere, Abramoff accomplished it all. Yet it’s important to remember this: A genius like Abramoff doesn’t spring fully formed on his own. Just as Michelangelo emerged in the ferment of Renaissance Italy, so did Abramoff emerge from his own circle of creativity and encouragement. Back in 1995, when Republicans took over Congress, a new cadre of daring and original thinkers arose. These bold innovators had a key insight: that you no longer had to choose between being an activist and a lobbyist. You could be both. You could harness the power of K Street to promote the goals of Goldwater, Reagan and Gingrich. And best of all, you could get rich while doing it! Before long, ringleader Grover Norquist and his buddies were signing lobbying deals with the Seychelles and the Northern Mariana Islands and talking up their interests at weekly conservative strategy sessions – what could be more vital to the future of freedom than the commercial interests of these two fine locales? Before long, folks like Norquist and Abramoff were talking up the virtues of international sons of liberty like Angola’s Jonas Savimbi and Congo’s dictator Mobutu Sese Seko – all while receiving compensation from these upstanding gentlemen, according to The Legal Times. Only a reactionary could have been so discomfited by Savimbi’s little cannibalism problem as to think this was not a daring contribution to the cause of Reaganism. Soon the creative revolutionaries were blending the high-toned forms of the think tank with the low-toned scams of the buckraker. Ed Buckham, Tom DeLay’s former chief of staff, helped run the U.S. Family Network, which supported the American family by accepting large donations and leasing skyboxes at the MCI Center, according to Roll Call. Michael Scanlon, DeLay’s former spokesman, organized a think tank called the American International Center, located in a house in Rehoboth Beach, Del., which was occupied, according to Andrew Ferguson’s devastating compendium in The Weekly Standard, by a former "lifeguard of the year" and a former yoga instructor. Ralph Reed, meanwhile, smashed the tired old categories that used to separate social conservatives from corporate consultants. Reed signed on with Channel One, Verizon, Enron and Microsoft to shore up the moral foundations of our great nation. Reed so strongly opposes gambling as a matter of principle that he bravely accepted $4 million through Abramoff from casino-rich Indian tribes to gin up a grass-roots campaign. As time went by, the spectacular devolution of morals accelerated. Many of the young innovators were behaving like people who, having read Barry Goldwater’s "Conscience of a Conservative," embraced the conservative part while discarding the conscience part. Abramoff’s and Scanlon’s Indian-gaming scandal will go down as the movement’s crowning achievement, more shameless than anything the others would do, but still the culmination of the trends building since 1995. It perfectly embodied their creed and philosophy: "I’d love us to get our mitts on that moolah!!" as Abramoff wrote to Reed. They made at least $66 million. This is a major accomplishment. And remember: Abramoff didn’t do it on his own. It took a village. The sleazo-cons thought they could take over K Street to advance their agenda. As it transpired, K Street took over them. _____ <http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/22/opinion/22brooks.html?hp>        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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Bruce Morgen is a depraved psychopath with no life.

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> Bruce Morgen is a depraved psychopath with no life.

It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still be so foolish and ignorant. My guess is that he devotes enormous time and effort toward that end. He must. Reading the liberal journals doubtless helps. Lars

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>Bruce Morgen is a depraved psychopath with no life.

So, how do you feel about AGA’s resident hate monger, Lard Vulva, who is almost solely responsible for the NG becoming a maelstrom of OT posting, Mr. Anonymous Phony E-mail Who Apparently Doesn’t Know How To Skip A Post He Doesn’t Want To Be Bothered With? Here’s a clue: if the Subject header begins with "OT:," don’t be bothered with the post.  Simple!        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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> It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still be > so foolish and ignorant.

Well at least he has a goal in life, i.e. posting endless rants in a guitar amplifier group in the belief he can convert others to his way of, err, thinking, if that’s the right word.  I mean, it would be sad if he had no meaning at all in his life, at least he has his online missionary work.

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>> Bruce Morgen is a depraved psychopath with no life. >It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still be >so foolish and ignorant. >My guess is that he devotes enormous time and effort toward that end. >He must. Reading the liberal journals doubtless helps.

Brooks is a conservative who’s written for The Weekly Standard and The Wall Street Journal — are they the "liberal journals" you’re referring to or are you like Dumber’nyuh and don’t really read much of anything?        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still be >so foolish and ignorant. >My guess is that he devotes enormous time and effort toward that end. >He must. Reading the liberal journals doubtless helps. > Brooks is a conservative > who’s written for The > Weekly Standard and The > Wall Street Journal — > are they the "liberal > journals" you’re > referring to or are you > like Dumber’nyuh and > don’t really read much > of anything?

See? Bruce, whatever you’re reading, it doesn’t seem to be doing you much good. Maybe you should *give up* reading for a while, since it seems improbable that you could come to be any the worse for it. But certainly, keep taking your meds, by all means. Lars

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> It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still be > so foolish and ignorant.

Then what the hell is your excuse?

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> Bruce Morgen is a depraved psychopath with no life.

Debate the issues or geek a bat…. __ Steve .

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still > be > >so foolish and ignorant. > >My guess is that he devotes enormous time and effort toward that > end. > >He must. Reading the liberal journals doubtless helps. > Brooks is a conservative > who’s written for The > Weekly Standard and The > Wall Street Journal — > are they the "liberal > journals" you’re > referring to or are you > like Dumber’nyuh and > don’t really read much > of anything? > See? > Bruce, whatever you’re reading, it doesn’t seem to be doing you much > good. Maybe you should *give up* reading for a while, since it seems > improbable that you could come to be any the worse for it. > But certainly, keep taking your meds, by all means.

Debate the issues, Slar, or continue to whimper. __ Steve .

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>> It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still be > so foolish and ignorant. >Then what the hell is your excuse?

Excuse for what? Lars

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> Debate the issues, Slar, or continue to whimper.

Oh, of course… *somebody* is out of quaaludes… Lars

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>> Debate the issues, Slar, or continue to whimper. >Oh, of course… *somebody* is out of quaaludes…

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>>> Debate the issues, Slar, or continue to whimper. >Oh, of course… *somebody* is out of quaaludes… >Translation: "Whimper, whimper, >whimper, whimper (ad infinitum >et ad nauseam)."

Ah: angry again; That’s our Bruce. I guess it was just temporary sanity before, when you seemed to calm down a bit. Let me guess — YOU"RE trying to be ‘funny’, too… right? Lars

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> >> It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still > be >> so foolish and ignorant. >Then what the hell is your excuse? > Excuse for what? > Lars

Being dumb as a bag of hammers, Lears. Duh! Bob

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Debate the issues, Slar, or continue to whimper. >>Oh, of course… *somebody* is out of quaaludes… >Translation: "Whimper, whimper, >whimper, whimper (ad infinitum >et ad nauseam)." > Ah: angry again; That’s our Bruce. I guess it was just temporary sanity > before, when you seemed to calm down a bit. Let me guess — YOU"RE > trying to be ‘funny’, too… right? > Lars

It must be a total gas to be as credulous as ole Larse. "No one could possibly be insulting my intellect- I am a member of Mensa, after all". What a goof! He has all the wit of a smart thirteen year old! Someone please light a match. Bob

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> Debate the issues, Slar, or continue to whimper. > Oh, of course… *somebody* is out of quaaludes…

OK, continue to whimper. __ Steve .

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>> >It can’t have been easy to become as old as > >he says he is, and still be so foolish and ignorant. > >My guess is that he devotes enormous time and > >effort toward that end. He must. Reading the liberal > >journals doubtless helps. > Brooks is a conservative who’s written for The > Weekly Standard and The Wall Street Journal — > are they the "liberal journals" you’re referring to > or are you like Dumber’nyuh and don’t really > read much of anything? >See?

I see that when you say "liberal journals" you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Did you devote a lot of effort to ignorance? >Bruce, whatever you’re reading, it doesn’t seem to >be doing you much good. Maybe you should *give >up* reading for a while, since it seems improbable >that you could come to be any the worse for it.

He’s one step ahead of you. He can identify liberals. The Repair Guy http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/

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http://lyinginponds.com/ a scientific examination of pudits in the major press as to bias. 10 pieces or so from each torn apart and weighted for politcal bias.

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>>>> Debate the issues, Slar, or continue to whimper. >>Oh, of course… *somebody* is out of quaaludes… >Translation: "Whimper, whimper, >whimper, whimper (ad infinitum >et ad nauseam)." >Ah: angry again;

Wrong, Uberstank, I’m havin’ a fine old time. >That’s our Bruce. I guess it was just temporary sanity >before, when you seemed to calm down a bit. Let me guess — YOU"RE >trying to be ‘funny’, too… right?

Actually, no trying was necessary, just enjoying your feckless, content- free, ad hominem gyrations — that’s where all the "funny" is.        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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> >> It can’t have been easy to become as old as he says he is, and still > be >> so foolish and ignorant. >Then what the hell is your excuse? > Excuse for what?

Being so foolish and ignorant.

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message – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>> Debate the issues, Slar, or continue to whimper. > >>Oh, of course… *somebody* is out of quaaludes… > >Translation: "Whimper, whimper, > >whimper, whimper (ad infinitum > >et ad nauseam)." > Ah: angry again; That’s our Bruce. I guess it was just temporary > sanity > before, when you seemed to calm down a bit.

Let me guess — YOU"RE > trying to be ‘funny’, too… right? > Lars > It must be a total gas to be as credulous as ole

Larse. "No one could > possibly be insulting my intellect- I am a

member of Mensa, after all". > What a goof! He has all the wit of a smart

thirteen year old! Someone > please light a match. > Bob

But Larse IS A GENIUS!…in his own small world where he and Fraidy have evolved from being separate socks to being lovers, where Duhbya is their super hero with supernatural powers, where Lard Fart Valve is always walking around with his pants down for them to smooch ass whenever they feel like it, where hyprocrisy, stupidity and spinning reality are regarded as a virtue. Garsh, the list could go on forever…

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running (believe it or not} helps tremendously as does Yoga

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>Also, I do have samples of Bextra. I’ve tried to avoid taking NSAIDS as I >heard that it might cause major problems with CD. But maybe I should try >it?? Any experience with it? >Suggestions?

Dear Mel:   I tried using NSAIDS for a very short time for a back problem as well and ended up laid up in a hospital bed for about 2 weeks//  So if I had it to do oover aaagain I would NOT take the NSAID!!!!  But then again, you do need to giive your back a rest and time to heal……yeah, go ahead, tak  the silly mistake because then, they will HAVE to put you up in the hospital……  and maybe you willl finally heal!!!!  I’m just messiing with you. No what I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD DO….please call your doc and get some sound advice.  Stay well. Be Well   Margie CD Class of 67 UC Class of 96

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I am having severe back problems: On Friday, I lifted a 50# item and hurt my back badly (lower left side). I rested and it was MUCH better on Saturday. So, the lawn needed mowing. I had some problems with the lawn mower and my back went out again, this time the lower right side. Ever since then, it hurts like h&ll. I’ve tried heat but it doesn’t help. Ice helped but only very temporarily. The pain is very low down. If I touch and the bony structure at that level just to the right it hurts as if it was a bruise. But I also can’t stand for any length of time without a lot of pain, nor can I sit. There is no other pain (no leg pain or other pain). Any suggestions?? I suspect this is some kind of inflammation and muscle injury, but of course I worry about a disc rupture. How long should this take to improve? Also, I do have samples of Bextra. I’ve tried to avoid taking NSAIDS as I heard that it might cause major problems with CD. But maybe I should try it?? Any experience with it? Suggestions? Mel

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<snip /> > Also, I do have samples of Bextra. I’ve tried to avoid taking NSAIDS as I > heard that it might cause major problems with CD. But maybe I should try > it?? Any experience with it? > Suggestions? > Mel

I used to be an Ibuprofen user, but have avoided it since being diagnosed with CD.  I asked my surgeon about taking NSAIDs and he confirmed that they could cause problems if used regularly, but said the effects would be minimal and it is worth taking now and again if it helps with pain relief. Take from that what you feel is best, Sean

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I would stay away from the Nsaids. Why not try a tumeric extract?  It’s a lot safer bet then Nsaids….and it just maybe beneficial to your IBD also.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am having severe back problems: > On Friday, I lifted a 50# item and hurt my back badly (lower left side). I > rested and it was MUCH better on Saturday. So, the lawn needed mowing. I had > some problems with the lawn mower and my back went out again, this time the > lower right side. > Ever since then, it hurts like h&ll. I’ve tried heat but it doesn’t help. > Ice helped but only very temporarily. The pain is very low down. If I touch > and the bony structure at that level just to the right it hurts as if it was > a bruise. But I also can’t stand for any length of time without a lot of > pain, nor can I sit. > There is no other pain (no leg pain or other pain). Any suggestions?? I > suspect this is some kind of inflammation and muscle injury, but of course I > worry about a disc rupture. > How long should this take to improve? > Also, I do have samples of Bextra. I’ve tried to avoid taking NSAIDS as I > heard that it might cause major problems with CD. But maybe I should try > it?? Any experience with it? > Suggestions? > Mel

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Jeffrey; This news group does get off topic from time to time, especially since the War in Iraq started….. So Newbie, why don’t you Chill Out.

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Re: Adopt A Guantanamo Detainiee  

This does not belong in rec.travel.air Please keep your political views elsewhere. Yes. And your adolescent racial hatred to yourself. There is not racial hatred in my post. It depicts the murderous Al Quada inmates as the lowest form of life, which they are. It also shows bleeding heart Liberals as busy bodies that don’t know what they are talking about.

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> Jeffrey; > This news group does get off topic from time to time, especially since > the War in Iraq started….. So Newbie, why don’t you Chill Out.

Great. You reply to this crap, and the rest of you ignore my desparate post on what the hell to do when I fly again in January… Thanks for the help! I see I went to the wrong place….. K. —

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This does not belong in rec.travel.air Please keep your political views elsewhere. Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A person wrote a letter to the White House complaining about the > treatment of a captive taken during the Afghanistan war. Attached is a > copy of a letter > they received back: > The White House > 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, D.C. > Dear Concerned Citizen: > Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of > the Taliban and Al Qaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo > Bay, Cuba. My administration takes these matters seriously, and your > opinion was heard loud and clear here in Washington. > You’ll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens like > you, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining Program, > to be called the "Liberals accept Responsibility for Killers" program, > or LARK for short. > In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided > to place one terrorist under your personal care. Your personal detainee > has been selected and scheduled for transportation under heavily armed > guard to your residence next Monday. Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you > can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards > you personally demanded in your letter of admonishment. > It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers. > We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care > for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommended in > your letter. > Ahmed’s meal requirements are simple, but we strongly suggest serving > meals that do not require utensils, particularly knives and forks. Also, > these should be "one-handed" foods; Ahmed will not eat with his left > hand since he uses it to wipe himself after purging his bowels (which he > will do in your > yard) – but look on the bright side … no increase in > the toilet paper bill. > He generally bathes quarterly with the change of seasons, assuming that > it rains, and he washes his clothes simultaneously. This should help > with your water bill. Also, your new friend has a really bad case of > body lice that hasn’t been completely remedied. > Please heed the large orange notice attached to your detainee’s cage: > "Does not play well with others." Although Ahmed is sociopathic and > extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described > as his "attitudinal problem" will help him overcome these character > flaws. Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere > cultural differences. > He will bite you, given the chance, but his rabies test came back > negative so not to worry. > We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling. Your > adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can > extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail > clippers. We do not suggest that you ask him to demonstrate these skills > at your next yoga group. > He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from > common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked > up, unless (in > your opinion) this might offend him. > Ahmed will not wish to interact with your wife or daughters (except > sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property. > However, he will be eager to assist with the education of your sons; > have available for their use several copies of the Q’uran. > Oh – and rest assured he absolutely loves animals, especially cats and > dogs. He prefers them roasted, but raw is fine, too, if they aren’t more > than 2 or 3 days dead. > Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like > you, who know so much, keep us informed of the proper way to do our job. > We think this watching over each other’s shoulder is such a good way for > people to interact that we will be sending a team of federal officials > with expertise in your line of work to your place of business soon, just > to help you do your job better. > Don’t be concerned that they have the power to close your business, > seize your property, and arrest you for any violation of the4,850,206 > laws, codes, regulations and rules that apply to your profession. > They’re really there just to make sure you’re doing everything the > proper way. That is what you wanted, right? > Well, thank you for this opportunity to interact with such a valued > member of the citizenry. You take good care of Ahmed – and > remember…we’ll be watching.

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> This does not belong in rec.travel.air > Please keep your political views elsewhere.

Yes. And your adolescent racial hatred to yourself.

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A person wrote a letter to the White House complaining about the treatment of a captive taken during the Afghanistan war. Attached is a copy of a letter they received back: The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, D.C. Dear Concerned Citizen: Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of the Taliban and Al Qaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. My administration takes these matters seriously, and your opinion was heard loud and clear here in Washington. You’ll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens like you, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining Program, to be called the "Liberals accept Responsibility for Killers" program, or LARK for short. In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your personal care. Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence next Monday. Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of admonishment. It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers. We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommended in your letter. Ahmed’s meal requirements are simple, but we strongly suggest serving meals that do not require utensils, particularly knives and forks. Also, these should be "one-handed" foods; Ahmed will not eat with his left hand since he uses it to wipe himself after purging his bowels (which he will do in your yard) – but look on the bright side … no increase in the toilet paper bill. He generally bathes quarterly with the change of seasons, assuming that it rains, and he washes his clothes simultaneously. This should help with your water bill. Also, your new friend has a really bad case of body lice that hasn’t been completely remedied. Please heed the large orange notice attached to your detainee’s cage: "Does not play well with others." Although Ahmed is sociopathic and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will help him overcome these character flaws. Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences. He will bite you, given the chance, but his rabies test came back negative so not to worry. We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling. Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We do not suggest that you ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him. Ahmed will not wish to interact with your wife or daughters (except sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property. However, he will be eager to assist with the education of your sons; have available for their use several copies of the Q’uran. Oh – and rest assured he absolutely loves animals, especially cats and dogs. He prefers them roasted, but raw is fine, too, if they aren’t more than 2 or 3 days dead. Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like you, who know so much, keep us informed of the proper way to do our job. We think this watching over each other’s shoulder is such a good way for people to interact that we will be sending a team of federal officials with expertise in your line of work to your place of business soon, just to help you do your job better. Don’t be concerned that they have the power to close your business, seize your property, and arrest you for any violation of the4,850,206 laws, codes, regulations and rules that apply to your profession. They’re really there just to make sure you’re doing everything the proper way. That is what you wanted, right? Well, thank you for this opportunity to interact with such a valued member of the citizenry. You take good care of Ahmed – and remember…we’ll be watching.

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Sail Off Into the Sunset Together Your wedding is one of the most important events in your life. But it shouldn’t be one of the most stressful. Don’t spend months stressing out about florists and caterers. Relax on one of our cruise ships. Take a yoga class, get a massage or climb our signature rock wall. Just bring your dress, and we’ll handle all the details of your wedding.

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Hi Jamie Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. S’nd I

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> Hi Jamie > Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. > S’nd I

Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? Howie

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>> Hi Jamie > Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. > S’nd I > Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days?

He/she is spamming other groups, unrelated to cruising, also. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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Whoever this is, he/she is posting from the UK. Arlene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Jamie > Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. > S’nd I > Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? > Howie

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There is a new marketing technique called "direct marketing."  Companies   actually hire people to do things like this, but it is usually much more subtle than this.  Someone simply writes to a board that they were on such and such a line and it was wonderful. Howie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Whoever this is, he/she is posting from the UK. > Arlene >>Hi Jamie >>Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. >>S’nd I >Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? >Howie

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Howie, Jamie’s note smelled like SPAM, and it was, but I like SPAM, except that I cannot eat it because it contains far too much sodium.. Sad, because it is an interesting question. On our recent Statendam cruise to Hawaii we had dinner in Pinnacle at a table next to a couple who were going to be married somewhere off of the ship on the next day.  We kvelled, and I don’t think that we ever saw them again. Didn’t I read that you can be married by the Captain of a Princess ship? — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There is a new marketing technique called "direct marketing."  Companies >   actually hire people to do things like this, but it is usually much > more subtle than this.  Someone simply writes to a board that they were > on such and such a line and it was wonderful. > Howie > Whoever this is, he/she is posting from the UK. > Arlene >>>Hi Jamie >>>Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. >>>S’nd I >>Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? >>Howie

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Not necessarily.  I’ve received a lot of spam from just about every country in western Europe, as well as Canada, Japan, Hong Kong, and Australia.  It is possable that spammers are routing their messages through other computers, including computers outside the United States. Tom Smith

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Whoever this is, he/she is posting from the UK. > Arlene > > Hi Jamie > > Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. > > S’nd I > Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? > Howie

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Sail Off Into the Sunset Together Your wedding is one of the most important events in your life. But it shouldn’t be one of the most stressful. Don’t spend months stressing out about florists and caterers. Relax on one of our cruise ships. Take a yoga class, get a massage or climb our signature rock wall. Just bring your dress, and we’ll handle all the details of your wedding.

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Hi Jamie Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. S’nd I

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> Hi Jamie > Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. > S’nd I

Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? Howie

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>> Hi Jamie > Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. > S’nd I > Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days?

He/she is spamming other groups, unrelated to cruising, also. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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Whoever this is, he/she is posting from the UK. Arlene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Jamie > Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. > S’nd I > Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? > Howie

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There is a new marketing technique called "direct marketing."  Companies   actually hire people to do things like this, but it is usually much more subtle than this.  Someone simply writes to a board that they were on such and such a line and it was wonderful. Howie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Whoever this is, he/she is posting from the UK. > Arlene >>Hi Jamie >>Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. >>S’nd I >Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? >Howie

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Howie, Jamie’s note smelled like SPAM, and it was, but I like SPAM, except that I cannot eat it because it contains far too much sodium.. Sad, because it is an interesting question. On our recent Statendam cruise to Hawaii we had dinner in Pinnacle at a table next to a couple who were going to be married somewhere off of the ship on the next day.  We kvelled, and I don’t think that we ever saw them again. Didn’t I read that you can be married by the Captain of a Princess ship? — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There is a new marketing technique called "direct marketing."  Companies >   actually hire people to do things like this, but it is usually much > more subtle than this.  Someone simply writes to a board that they were > on such and such a line and it was wonderful. > Howie > Whoever this is, he/she is posting from the UK. > Arlene >>>Hi Jamie >>>Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. >>>S’nd I >>Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? >>Howie

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Not necessarily.  I’ve received a lot of spam from just about every country in western Europe, as well as Canada, Japan, Hong Kong, and Australia.  It is possable that spammers are routing their messages through other computers, including computers outside the United States. Tom Smith

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Whoever this is, he/she is posting from the UK. > Arlene > > Hi Jamie > > Tryingt to figure out if you are a paid employee of RC or a T/A. > > S’nd I > Me too, sunny?  Is RCCL hiring spammers to do their marketing these days? > Howie

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> LOL…as one who has actually done that (and my co workers kindly left me to > nap for an hour)…I wish I had that list then! > Thanks for the umm emails too Sally

hmmmmmm…..that candy cane looked pretty good…. <g> yer welcome…. Sally – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Paula >       best excuses when you get caught falling asleep on your desk: >       10. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen." >       9. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in that > time management course you sent me to." >       8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the White-Out. You probably got > here just in time!" >       7. "I wasn’t sleeping! I was meditating on the mission statement and > envisioning a new paradigm." >       6. "I was testing my keyboard for drool resistance." >       5. "I was doing a highly specific Yoga exercise to relieve > work-related stress. Are you discriminatory toward people who practice > Yoga?" >       4. "Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to > our biggest problem." >       3. "The coffee machine is broken…" >       2. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot…" >       And the #1 best thing to say if you get caught sleeping at your > desk… >       1. " … in Jesus’ name. Amen."

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Sally: >best excuses when you get caught falling asleep on your desk:

… LOL Thanks, Sally Humorous, informative… and *useful* —– Maddie, 7 months f3as3

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      best excuses when you get caught falling asleep on your desk:       10. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen."       9. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in that time management course you sent me to."       8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the White-Out. You probably got here just in time!"       7. "I wasn’t sleeping! I was meditating on the mission statement and envisioning a new paradigm."       6. "I was testing my keyboard for drool resistance."       5. "I was doing a highly specific Yoga exercise to relieve work-related stress. Are you discriminatory toward people who practice Yoga?"       4. "Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to our biggest problem."       3. "The coffee machine is broken…"       2. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot…"       And the #1 best thing to say if you get caught sleeping at your desk…       1. " … in Jesus’ name. Amen."

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LOL…as one who has actually done that (and my co workers kindly left me to nap for an hour)…I wish I had that list then! Thanks for the umm emails too Sally Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->       best excuses when you get caught falling asleep on your desk: >       10. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen." >       9. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in that > time management course you sent me to." >       8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the White-Out. You probably got > here just in time!" >       7. "I wasn’t sleeping! I was meditating on the mission statement and > envisioning a new paradigm." >       6. "I was testing my keyboard for drool resistance." >       5. "I was doing a highly specific Yoga exercise to relieve > work-related stress. Are you discriminatory toward people who practice > Yoga?" >       4. "Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to > our biggest problem." >       3. "The coffee machine is broken…" >       2. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot…" >       And the #1 best thing to say if you get caught sleeping at your > desk… >       1. " … in Jesus’ name. Amen."

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      best excuses when you get caught falling asleep on your desk:       10. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen."       9. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in that time management course you sent me to."       8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the White-Out. You probably got here just in time!"       7. "I wasn’t sleeping! I was meditating on the mission statement and envisioning a new paradigm."       6. "I was testing my keyboard for drool resistance."       5. "I was doing a highly specific Yoga exercise to relieve work-related stress. Are you discriminatory toward people who practice Yoga?"       4. "Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to our biggest problem."       3. "The coffee machine is broken…"       2. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot…"       And the #1 best thing to say if you get caught sleeping at your desk…       1. " … in Jesus’ name. Amen."

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LOL…as one who has actually done that (and my co workers kindly left me to nap for an hour)…I wish I had that list then! Thanks for the umm emails too Sally Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->       best excuses when you get caught falling asleep on your desk: >       10. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen." >       9. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in that > time management course you sent me to." >       8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the White-Out. You probably got > here just in time!" >       7. "I wasn’t sleeping! I was meditating on the mission statement and > envisioning a new paradigm." >       6. "I was testing my keyboard for drool resistance." >       5. "I was doing a highly specific Yoga exercise to relieve > work-related stress. Are you discriminatory toward people who practice > Yoga?" >       4. "Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to > our biggest problem." >       3. "The coffee machine is broken…" >       2. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot…" >       And the #1 best thing to say if you get caught sleeping at your > desk… >       1. " … in Jesus’ name. Amen."

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> LOL…as one who has actually done that (and my co workers kindly left me to > nap for an hour)…I wish I had that list then! > Thanks for the umm emails too Sally

hmmmmmm…..that candy cane looked pretty good…. <g> yer welcome…. Sally – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Paula >       best excuses when you get caught falling asleep on your desk: >       10. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen." >       9. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in that > time management course you sent me to." >       8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the White-Out. You probably got > here just in time!" >       7. "I wasn’t sleeping! I was meditating on the mission statement and > envisioning a new paradigm." >       6. "I was testing my keyboard for drool resistance." >       5. "I was doing a highly specific Yoga exercise to relieve > work-related stress. Are you discriminatory toward people who practice > Yoga?" >       4. "Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to > our biggest problem." >       3. "The coffee machine is broken…" >       2. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot…" >       And the #1 best thing to say if you get caught sleeping at your > desk… >       1. " … in Jesus’ name. Amen."

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Sally: >best excuses when you get caught falling asleep on your desk:

… LOL Thanks, Sally Humorous, informative… and *useful* —– Maddie, 7 months f3as3

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I used to walk 8 miles a day and do 2 yoga exercises. This made me feel 15 years youngers. [very healthy] Ive had colitis for 25 years. Stan

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" I used to walk 8 miles a day and do 2 yoga exercises. This made me feel 15 years youngers. [very healthy]"  Stan. In order to understand the relationship between fitness and IBD, l removed all my fitness over a two year period. So l went from being able to run several miles a day, to having to hyperventilate if l climbed a single set of stairs. In response to your post, l can honestly say that l aged faster during those two years of inactivity than during any other period in my life. Navid.

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Exactly how did you test this Navid? Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >" I used to walk 8 miles a day and do 2 yoga exercises. This made me feel 15 >years youngers. [very healthy]"  Stan. >In order to understand the relationship between fitness and IBD, l removed >all my fitness over a two year period. >So l went from being able to run several miles a day, to having to >hyperventilate if l climbed a single set of stairs. >In response to your post, l can honestly say that l aged faster during those >two years of inactivity than during any other period in my life. >Navid.

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"Maybe you can be the one that starts the research?" Marlena. Hi Marlena, I was diagnosed with UC in 1995. I also first qualified as a personal trainer in 1995. So my personal ‘research’ and experimentation with exercise and IBD(as well as other lifestyle variables) started in 1995. I think that it is now time to get the scientific community interested/involved. I have been given the details of two UK professor’s of Gasteroenterology so far to contact, but am looking around to see the research interests/personal views etc of other researchers in IBD. I am looking for a brilliant scientist researching into IBD, someone who will not ask me too many questions, and yet answer all of my questions. someone who will jump when l say "jump", and sit when l say "sit". Oh, and it would help if he/she had a keen interest in exercise and dietary behaviour too. ) Navid

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That should give you some clue. Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Is anyone aware of a researcher who is interested in exercise and IBD in the >UK, or anywhere else in the world? >I asked a professor in Gastroenterology in the UK and received an apologetic >reply. I asked my consultant if he knew of anyone conducting research into >exercise and IBD. He said he was not aware of anyone. >Navid

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Is anyone aware of a researcher who is interested in exercise and IBD in the UK, or anywhere else in the world? I asked a professor in Gastroenterology in the UK and received an apologetic reply. I asked my consultant if he knew of anyone conducting research into exercise and IBD. He said he was not aware of anyone. Navid

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Maybe you can be the one that starts the research? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Is anyone aware of a researcher who is interested in exercise and IBD in the >UK, or anywhere else in the world? >I asked a professor in Gastroenterology in the UK and received an apologetic >reply. I asked my consultant if he knew of anyone conducting research into >exercise and IBD. He said he was not aware of anyone. >Navid

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> Just got my meter back from the shop the other day.  The bastard > technicians removed the hard drive and reset it, but it’s working again. > Talk about a nightmare last 24 hours…. > Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not smoking > 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life.

Very awesome to see your meter back from the shop and turning over Frampy!! Welcome back — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. 7M

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> Maybe pick an activity where you are not able to smoke.  If you play > sport or enjoy running (as most of us smokers do!) then that could be > an option. > Frampy

There’s a thought.  A smoker’s marathon!  WB Frampy and WB.

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> Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not > smoking 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life.

That’s just a beautiful sight to behold Frampy.  Glad to have you back. Hope your ISP is behaving, too! Willene

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>The bastard >technicians removed the hard drive and reset it, but it’s working >again.

Techies….tsk! wb mate steveb

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Framperooni, that meter is one of the sweetest things I’ve seen in a long time!!  I know, I know, I should get out more, LOL. Welcome back, little blue buddy, we’ve all missed you. Cheers Sue Six months, four weeks, two days, 11 hours, 41 minutes and 1 second. 6344 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,903.76. Life saved: 3 weeks, 1 day, 40 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I sometimes just sit and watch my meter clicking over and consider if > it’s worth resetting it for the sake of one sickarette.  Unfortunately > for me, I have reset more times than I care to remember. > Maybe pick an activity where you are not able to smoke.  If you play > sport or enjoy running (as most of us smokers do!) then that could be > an option. > Frampy > Side note: Darts in this example is not considered a sport as you > generally need a beer in one hand and a sickarette in the other to > balanace yourself properly > Just got my meter back from the shop the other day.  The bastard > technicians removed the hard drive and reset it, but it’s working > again. Talk about a nightmare last 24 hours…. > Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not > smoking 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life. > Hey Suzanne > Being the anal accountant that I am, I made up a list of things to do. I > have one list for the office, another for home. My home list is something > like this: > Instead of smoking do: > Five minutes of yoga stretching > Tidy out a drawer > Clean a window > Read a chapter of a good book or a magazine > Jump on line and post > My work list: > Go to the bathroom and hide and read a chapter of my book > Jump on line and post > Go for a walk around the office > Go for a walk up the road and back > Drink a big glass of water > Chew on some mints > There are many more, having a list will give you options. You are doing > great. Hang in there! > Paula > > Hi, > > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the >  psychological > > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > > Suzanne > > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something >  else. > > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

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> Hi, > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the psychological > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > Suzanne > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something else. > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

I ate a lot of citrus fruit or drank orange juice during my first couple of months, Suzanne.  For some reason I never thought citrus fruit and cigs went well together and also love a good tangy tangerine or orange, so it was both my reward/treat and an anti-crave device.  Worked well for me.  Reading and posting compulsively/obsessively also kept my fingers and mind occupied for over a year.   Hang in there! *hugs* —    BinnieBee –  A Proud Old Fogie!        %%      (—-)     ( >__< )     ^^ ~~ ^^     ~f3as3~ Quit since 11/01/2001 http://binniebee.com http://www.cyberdigs.com

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> Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not > smoking 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life.

Yaaaay Frampy! I am so pleased to see this mate…good for you! You know…never thought I would say this to an Aussie, and especially you…but Woo hoo you rock! Keep it up mate and if you need a shoulder you know where I am… Paula

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I sometimes just sit and watch my meter clicking over and consider if it’s worth resetting it for the sake of one sickarette.  Unfortunately for me, I have reset more times than I care to remember. Maybe pick an activity where you are not able to smoke.  If you play sport or enjoy running (as most of us smokers do!) then that could be an option. Frampy Side note: Darts in this example is not considered a sport as you generally need a beer in one hand and a sickarette in the other to balanace yourself properly Just got my meter back from the shop the other day.  The bastard technicians removed the hard drive and reset it, but it’s working again. Talk about a nightmare last 24 hours…. Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not smoking 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey Suzanne > Being the anal accountant that I am, I made up a list of things to do. I > have one list for the office, another for home. My home list is something > like this: > Instead of smoking do: > Five minutes of yoga stretching > Tidy out a drawer > Clean a window > Read a chapter of a good book or a magazine > Jump on line and post > My work list: > Go to the bathroom and hide and read a chapter of my book > Jump on line and post > Go for a walk around the office > Go for a walk up the road and back > Drink a big glass of water > Chew on some mints > There are many more, having a list will give you options. You are doing > great. Hang in there! > Paula > Hi, > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the >  psychological > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > Suzanne > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something >  else. > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

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Hey Suzanne Being the anal accountant that I am, I made up a list of things to do. I have one list for the office, another for home. My home list is something like this: Instead of smoking do: Five minutes of yoga stretching Tidy out a drawer Clean a window Read a chapter of a good book or a magazine Jump on line and post My work list: Go to the bathroom and hide and read a chapter of my book Jump on line and post Go for a walk around the office Go for a walk up the road and back Drink a big glass of water Chew on some mints There are many more, having a list will give you options. You are doing great. Hang in there! Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the psychological > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > Suzanne > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something else. > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the psychological > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > Suzanne > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something else. > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

Buy a gameboy advance, and a copy of Zombie pinball, and keep it in your shirt pocket where the cigs would have been. Anything that busies the hands might work. I am working on sewing a quilt right now. I use to make dolls. They looked sorta cabage patchish.  If course, i’m not quit yet, so we’ll see who those work. P — Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. http://personalpages.tds.net/~dcombs3 Follow your dream! Unless it’s the one where you’re at work in your underwear during a fire drill.

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Hi, Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the psychological triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? Suzanne I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something else. Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

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Hi, Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the psychological triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? Suzanne I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something else. Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

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Hey Suzanne Being the anal accountant that I am, I made up a list of things to do. I have one list for the office, another for home. My home list is something like this: Instead of smoking do: Five minutes of yoga stretching Tidy out a drawer Clean a window Read a chapter of a good book or a magazine Jump on line and post My work list: Go to the bathroom and hide and read a chapter of my book Jump on line and post Go for a walk around the office Go for a walk up the road and back Drink a big glass of water Chew on some mints There are many more, having a list will give you options. You are doing great. Hang in there! Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the psychological > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > Suzanne > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something else. > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the psychological > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > Suzanne > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something else. > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

Buy a gameboy advance, and a copy of Zombie pinball, and keep it in your shirt pocket where the cigs would have been. Anything that busies the hands might work. I am working on sewing a quilt right now. I use to make dolls. They looked sorta cabage patchish.  If course, i’m not quit yet, so we’ll see who those work. P — Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. http://personalpages.tds.net/~dcombs3 Follow your dream! Unless it’s the one where you’re at work in your underwear during a fire drill.

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I sometimes just sit and watch my meter clicking over and consider if it’s worth resetting it for the sake of one sickarette.  Unfortunately for me, I have reset more times than I care to remember. Maybe pick an activity where you are not able to smoke.  If you play sport or enjoy running (as most of us smokers do!) then that could be an option. Frampy Side note: Darts in this example is not considered a sport as you generally need a beer in one hand and a sickarette in the other to balanace yourself properly Just got my meter back from the shop the other day.  The bastard technicians removed the hard drive and reset it, but it’s working again. Talk about a nightmare last 24 hours…. Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not smoking 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey Suzanne > Being the anal accountant that I am, I made up a list of things to do. I > have one list for the office, another for home. My home list is something > like this: > Instead of smoking do: > Five minutes of yoga stretching > Tidy out a drawer > Clean a window > Read a chapter of a good book or a magazine > Jump on line and post > My work list: > Go to the bathroom and hide and read a chapter of my book > Jump on line and post > Go for a walk around the office > Go for a walk up the road and back > Drink a big glass of water > Chew on some mints > There are many more, having a list will give you options. You are doing > great. Hang in there! > Paula > Hi, > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the >  psychological > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > Suzanne > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something >  else. > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

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> Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not > smoking 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life.

Yaaaay Frampy! I am so pleased to see this mate…good for you! You know…never thought I would say this to an Aussie, and especially you…but Woo hoo you rock! Keep it up mate and if you need a shoulder you know where I am… Paula

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> Hi, > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the psychological > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > Suzanne > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something else. > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

I ate a lot of citrus fruit or drank orange juice during my first couple of months, Suzanne.  For some reason I never thought citrus fruit and cigs went well together and also love a good tangy tangerine or orange, so it was both my reward/treat and an anti-crave device.  Worked well for me.  Reading and posting compulsively/obsessively also kept my fingers and mind occupied for over a year.   Hang in there! *hugs* —    BinnieBee –  A Proud Old Fogie!        %%      (—-)     ( >__< )     ^^ ~~ ^^     ~f3as3~ Quit since 11/01/2001 http://binniebee.com http://www.cyberdigs.com

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Framperooni, that meter is one of the sweetest things I’ve seen in a long time!!  I know, I know, I should get out more, LOL. Welcome back, little blue buddy, we’ve all missed you. Cheers Sue Six months, four weeks, two days, 11 hours, 41 minutes and 1 second. 6344 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,903.76. Life saved: 3 weeks, 1 day, 40 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I sometimes just sit and watch my meter clicking over and consider if > it’s worth resetting it for the sake of one sickarette.  Unfortunately > for me, I have reset more times than I care to remember. > Maybe pick an activity where you are not able to smoke.  If you play > sport or enjoy running (as most of us smokers do!) then that could be > an option. > Frampy > Side note: Darts in this example is not considered a sport as you > generally need a beer in one hand and a sickarette in the other to > balanace yourself properly > Just got my meter back from the shop the other day.  The bastard > technicians removed the hard drive and reset it, but it’s working > again. Talk about a nightmare last 24 hours…. > Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not > smoking 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life. > Hey Suzanne > Being the anal accountant that I am, I made up a list of things to do. I > have one list for the office, another for home. My home list is something > like this: > Instead of smoking do: > Five minutes of yoga stretching > Tidy out a drawer > Clean a window > Read a chapter of a good book or a magazine > Jump on line and post > My work list: > Go to the bathroom and hide and read a chapter of my book > Jump on line and post > Go for a walk around the office > Go for a walk up the road and back > Drink a big glass of water > Chew on some mints > There are many more, having a list will give you options. You are doing > great. Hang in there! > Paula > > Hi, > > Anyone have any cool "activities" or diversions to counter the >  psychological > > triggers?  I smoked 2 packs a day for many years, so my day is jam packed > > full of these triggers.  How have you gotten through these? > > Suzanne > > I haven’t had a damned cigarette in One day, 1 hour, 11 minutes and 49 > > seconds. 41 cigarettes not smoked, $3.25 I can piss away on something >  else. > > Life saved: 3 hours, 25 minutes. Thank heaven, I have given up smoking > > again!… God! I feel fit.  Homicidal, but fit.  A different woman. > > Irritable, moody, depressed, rude, nervy, perhaps; but the lungs are fine.

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> Just got my meter back from the shop the other day.  The bastard > technicians removed the hard drive and reset it, but it’s working again. > Talk about a nightmare last 24 hours…. > Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not smoking > 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life.

Very awesome to see your meter back from the shop and turning over Frampy!! Welcome back — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. 7M

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> Maybe pick an activity where you are not able to smoke.  If you play > sport or enjoy running (as most of us smokers do!) then that could be > an option. > Frampy

There’s a thought.  A smoker’s marathon!  WB Frampy and WB.

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> Frampy has Quit for 1 day, 4 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds, not > smoking 53 cigarettes, saving $   18.84, and saving 4h 25m  of life.

That’s just a beautiful sight to behold Frampy.  Glad to have you back. Hope your ISP is behaving, too! Willene

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>The bastard >technicians removed the hard drive and reset it, but it’s working >again.

Techies….tsk! wb mate steveb

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> michael..and just what kind of response should we have to that? > david..u have a good point in a way..but when someone..even a > troll..calls me an antisemite i am gonna respond…no michael..not to > get rid of my stress…because it needs a response… > annie

Someone calls you anti-semite and you respond, THEY WIN.  That’s what they wanted, look at the thread, it’s huge.  Does it help anyone with IBD?  No, it’s just a waste of time.  Who cares if someone thinks you are anti-semite, you know you’re not.  That’s the problem here, the focus isn’t IBD but defending one’s reputation!

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You make some good points. I know I get in the middle of some "debates" at times and I am trying to improve the quality of my responses so that I can discuss disagreements in an adult like fashion -whatever that is . People here have different knowledge and different experiences with their disease. So we have different pieces of the puzzle and we need everyone’s piece in order to start to see the whole. Personally I don’t want to ignore people because sooner or later everyone has something important to add. But I am going to try to ignore flames or at least try not to get baited into a flame war. I believe we can post our differences with resorting to that. Also I think that some people may not be aware of how they flame others. We may need to go through a period of adjustment where we discuss this as a group. This could help reduce the unintentional flames or insults. Perhaps even develop some kind of protocol for how to disagree if needed. Well, time for lunch. ttyl Jeff 2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i agree annie.. and my angerlevel was elevated especially now.. but i > realize now that some people have personalities that are more abusive than > others.  and some people have the need to feel high and mighty.. im learning > since im new to the NG forum that these are the ones i will ignore. and i > have prepared responses now for ignorant posters who are tryign top ruin a > good thing.. the name of this group is support not bash.. so i willoffer my > support and jhope i will get some in return and sift thru the rubble to do > that.. there is strength in numbers.. ( and i know youre not an antisemite) > i wont be bullied nor will i bully someone simply because they dont type > well or use caps or  cant spell.. to do so is trite and rude. > gosh yoga  does wonders .. > > The "regulars" here are responding to flames to keep them going.  It’s > how > > they release their frustrations and stress.  It’s unfortunate they abuse > the > > newgroup to do it but there’s nothing we can do other than leave. > > > Please do not feed the Trolls. It causes them to breed, like tribbles > > > David > michael..and just what kind of response should we have to that? > david..u have a good point in a way..but when someone..even a > troll..calls me an antisemite i am gonna respond…no michael..not to > get rid of my stress…because it needs a response… > annie

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Good Ms TJ. mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > i agree annie.. and my angerlevel was elevated especially now.. but i > realize now that some people have personalities that are more abusive than > others.  and some people have the need to feel high and mighty.. im learning > since im new to the NG forum that these are the ones i will ignore. and i > have prepared responses now for ignorant posters who are tryign top ruin a > good thing.. the name of this group is support not bash.. so i willoffer my > support and jhope i will get some in return and sift thru the rubble to do > that.. there is strength in numbers.. ( and i know youre not an antisemite) > i wont be bullied nor will i bully someone simply because they dont type > well or use caps or  cant spell.. to do so is trite and rude. > gosh yoga  does wonders .. > > The "regulars" here are responding to flames to keep them going.  It’s > how > > they release their frustrations and stress.  It’s unfortunate they abuse > the > > newgroup to do it but there’s nothing we can do other than leave. > > > Please do not feed the Trolls. It causes them to breed, like tribbles > > > David > michael..and just what kind of response should we have to that? > david..u have a good point in a way..but when someone..even a > troll..calls me an antisemite i am gonna respond…no michael..not to > get rid of my stress…because it needs a response… > annie

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> The "regulars" here are responding to flames to keep them going.  It’s how > they release their frustrations and stress.  It’s unfortunate they abuse the > newgroup to do it but there’s nothing we can do other than leave. > Please do not feed the Trolls. It causes them to breed, like tribbles > David

michael..and just what kind of response should we have to that? david..u have a good point in a way..but when someone..even a troll..calls me an antisemite i am gonna respond…no michael..not to get rid of my stress…because it needs a response… annie

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i agree annie.. and my angerlevel was elevated especially now.. but i realize now that some people have personalities that are more abusive than others.  and some people have the need to feel high and mighty.. im learning since im new to the NG forum that these are the ones i will ignore. and i have prepared responses now for ignorant posters who are tryign top ruin a good thing.. the name of this group is support not bash.. so i willoffer my support and jhope i will get some in return and sift thru the rubble to do that.. there is strength in numbers.. ( and i know youre not an antisemite) i wont be bullied nor will i bully someone simply because they dont type well or use caps or  cant spell.. to do so is trite and rude. gosh yoga  does wonders ..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The "regulars" here are responding to flames to keep them going.  It’s how > they release their frustrations and stress.  It’s unfortunate they abuse the > newgroup to do it but there’s nothing we can do other than leave. > > Please do not feed the Trolls. It causes them to breed, like tribbles > > David > michael..and just what kind of response should we have to that? > david..u have a good point in a way..but when someone..even a > troll..calls me an antisemite i am gonna respond…no michael..not to > get rid of my stress…because it needs a response… > annie

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Please do not feed the Trolls. It causes them to breed, like tribbles David

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The "regulars" here are responding to flames to keep them going.  It’s how they release their frustrations and stress.  It’s unfortunate they abuse the newgroup to do it but there’s nothing we can do other than leave.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Please do not feed the Trolls. It causes them to breed, like tribbles > David

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Hey Michael, I just go back!:-)  And I am not feeling well but I am in a great mood.  It has to change soon everyone has to be tired by now! UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The "regulars" here are responding to flames to keep them going.  It’s how > they release their frustrations and stress.  It’s unfortunate they abuse the > newgroup to do it but there’s nothing we can do other than leave. > Please do not feed the Trolls. It causes them to breed, like tribbles > David

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> Can you identify anything in particular that’s stressing you?

Yes Succorso I can. When my wifes father died some six years ago here mother started living with us. In her own words, she said she would only stay a short while and find herself another place. This has never happened and she’s making no attempt to go. Why should she? She lives totally rent free and spends all her money very irresponsibly, mainly on gambling. I did find her a really nice council flat but she put the guilt thing on my wife and that never materialised. I would love to have a heart to heart with her and tell her how irresponsible and selfish she is but she can’t concentrate on anything except a bingo card or betting slip. There you go Succorso, there’s my big stress. Steve Three weeks, four days, 13 hours, 46 minutes and 9 seconds. 511 cigarettes not smoked, saving