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Its not a long fongerboard, its a reeeeaaaly deep cutaway. Manring is a real genius with open tunings. The Zon he uses has a hipshot on each tuner. It’s the Hyperbass model, see it at : http://www.zonguitars.com/zon.hyperbass.html — Henry! "Made In Krypton" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The other one is michael Manring. You don’t want to hear his > stuff. Or if you do, you’ll just end up abandoning your bass and > play triangle. Best show-off song IMO from Michael is Music For > Armchair Funambulist. He plays three basses. AT THE SAME TIME. > Oh yes, Manring… someone recommended him as an equivalent for > Robert Fripp in the bass world when I asked here… but Music for > Armchair Funambulists sounded more like Pat Metheny to me
hmm. > I really should get some of his stuff… > But I seem to remember Michael played this weird Zon thing with a > really long fingerboard and Hipshot things so that he could change > the tuning… on Music for Armchair Funambulists. But I might be > wrong… > — > ( > -
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> The other one is michael Manring. You don’t want to hear his > stuff. Or if you do, you’ll just end up abandoning your bass and > play triangle. Best show-off song IMO from Michael is Music For > Armchair Funambulist. He plays three basses. AT THE SAME TIME.
Oh yes, Manring… someone recommended him as an equivalent for Robert Fripp in the bass world when I asked here… but Music for Armchair Funambulists sounded more like Pat Metheny to me
hmm. I really should get some of his stuff… But I seem to remember Michael played this weird Zon thing with a really long fingerboard and Hipshot things so that he could change the tuning… on Music for Armchair Funambulists. But I might be wrong… — ( -
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Figuring out slapping has been a great help to my playing precision, funksmanship, and improvisational ear. I hardly ever use it, but I practice it all the time for the practical benefits. It has made both of my hands more nimble than before. Last night at a jam I slapped "Fly Me to the Moon". I wanted to be the first person who ever did it. Edward G. — "You must respect the delicate ecology of your delusions." –Tony Kushner —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I never slap intentionally. > I often play with my thumb and when the jamming gets hot I sometimes > find myself slapping. > Once I realize what I am doing I stop slapping. > Old farst aren’t supposed to slap! > Pt
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> Lately everytime I go into a music store some kid is slapping his brains > out.. pinkety ponkety plunkety clank.. > I’m impressed by the idea of someone spending hours learning something I’ve > never had a real use for. *S*
Well… we are only here to impress you. In fact, before I learn a new trick, I wonder.. "WWTD?" Get a copy of Victor Wooten’s "A show of hands" Leo. Then visit his web site for some lessons. — O> /() ^^
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I wonder.. "WWTD?" <—— what?
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> Figuring out slapping has been a great help to my playing > precision, funksmanship, and improvisational ear. I hardly ever > use it, but I practice it all the time for the practical > benefits. It has made both of my hands more nimble than before.
So the feeling in my right biceps (if that’s the right word?) wasn’t just because of any playing in general? I did think about that… but now I’ve got a flu. and it’s hard to find a joint or a muscle in my body that _doesn’t_ ache. but I must say that playing the double bass has given me a lot as well… — ( -
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> Get a copy of Victor Wooten’s "A show of hands" Leo. Then visit > his web site for some lessons.
I’m sort of scared of this Wooten guy… he seems to be sooooo popular with bassists. I was actually looking for something called "A show of hands" in Allmusic.com because I couldn’t remember, however much I tried, whose album it was. Turned out there were quite a few of them. The one I was searching for was probably the one with Robert Fripp & the Crafties…
but this is probably just my teen angst speaking… — ( -
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One Word : Stu Hamm. Slap, pop and tap are his trademarks, and even if there are many others, it’s still my favourite. — Henry! "Made In Krypton" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And how long did it take for me to lapse into this?
> no, not really. I don’t particularly like most of the ubiquitous > slappy and tappy stuff. But stuff like Trey Gunn’s Warr guitar > playing with King Crimson… and some… simple slappy stuff… I > want to learn it. > I borrowed a Primus CD from the library (the CD being "Pork Soda") > cos I thought I’d like Les Claypool from the little I’d heard… > well, I knew it was kind of joke-ish. But really… it started to get > annoying after a while if it initially wasn’t (and it was). > But any way, I found myself trying to play the riff from King > Crimson’s "Pictures of a City"… really fast, slapping. It didn’t > sound all too bad… > and then I went on trying to play this in tune: > 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 > a-5—–5–3–5–10—10-|—10-11-12-3–12-3—-.| > And what’s the point in posting this here? Hmm… that’s a nice > question. Probably something along the lines of "who to listen to if > I want to hear tappin’n’slappin’ that’s not there just for the sake > of itself and the player doesn’t just sound like a boring session > musician either?"… but that’s probably all too much to ask?
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The other one is michael Manring. You don’t want to hear his stuff. Or if you do, you’ll just end up abandoning your bass and play triangle. Best show-off song IMO from Michael is Music For Armchair Funambulist. He plays three basses. AT THE SAME TIME. — Henry! "Made In Krypton" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’m sort of scared of this Wooten guy… he seems to be sooooo >> popular with bassists. > Only thing to be afraid of, is yoou might launch your bass off the > balcony after listening to him. Just make sure the dog ain’t out. > hmm… got no balcony and no dog either…
> Oh right, well, I might take a look at Vic’s stuff at some point… > Any famous ones playing slappy and tappy stuff on fretless? That’s > what I’m trying to do… > from what I recall, one might be Les Claypool? > — > ( > -
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>> I’m sort of scared of this Wooten guy… he seems to be sooooo > popular with bassists. > Only thing to be afraid of, is yoou might launch your bass off the > balcony after listening to him. Just make sure the dog ain’t out.
hmm… got no balcony and no dog either…
Oh right, well, I might take a look at Vic’s stuff at some point… Any famous ones playing slappy and tappy stuff on fretless? That’s what I’m trying to do… from what I recall, one might be Les Claypool? — ( -
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> > I wonder.. "WWTD?" <—— what?
"What would Twang Do." A bitter remark. Beg pardon. — O> /() ^^
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> I’m sort of scared of this Wooten guy… he seems to be sooooo > popular with bassists.
Only thing to be afraid of, is yoou might launch your bass off the balcony after listening to him. Just make sure the dog ain’t out. — O> /() ^^
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> > I wonder.. "WWTD?" <—— what? > "What would Twang Do." > A bitter remark. Beg pardon. > — > O> > /() > ^^
I don’t get all the posts. so I have no idea what this is in reference to. Tell you this much.. slapping and popping don’t impress me much anyway.*S* Twang!
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I never slap intentionally. I often play with my thumb and when the jamming gets hot I sometimes find myself slapping. Once I realize what I am doing I stop slapping. Old farst aren’t supposed to slap! Pt
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I’d say just the opposite. Learning from a book doesn’t always give you the feel of what the line should sound like – Unless you’re learning out of my book that is ; ) I think the biggest mistake people make is listening to the wrong kind of players. Warmed over white boy attempts at funk/metal don’t do justice to the real thing. Here’s a partial list of players/bands I feel are recommended listening for slap bass: Larry Graham (the first and still champ IMO) Stanley Clarke Marcus Miller Victor Bailey Cameo Kirk Franklin - God’s Property/Nu Nation (wicked 6 string grooves) Brothers Johnson Rufus Victor Wooten Chukki Booker Of course, you could always grab one of my books as well: www.js3jazz.com/store.htm /shameless plug — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If I were you.. I’d get a book on it instead of looking for cd’s > or other players to cop off of.. then I’d use it where I thought > it tasteful. > Hmm… for me the fun seems to be more in figuring it out by > myself… and IMO hearing some tasteful use of an "unorthodox" > (hardly that anymore…) technique is a better way to learn it than > playing through someone else’s idea of a nice technique workout. or > something to that effect, any way. > I was probably going to write something else as well but seems I > forgot already. bah. should take a break from playing… for a couple > of hours, maybe
and there’s this flu as well. my mind isn’t what > it was earlier today. (or was that because of Primus?
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> If I were you.. I’d get a book on it instead of looking for cd’s > or other players to cop off of.. then I’d use it where I thought > it tasteful.
Hmm… for me the fun seems to be more in figuring it out by myself… and IMO hearing some tasteful use of an "unorthodox" (hardly that anymore…) technique is a better way to learn it than playing through someone else’s idea of a nice technique workout. or something to that effect, any way. I was probably going to write something else as well but seems I forgot already. bah. should take a break from playing… for a couple of hours, maybe
and there’s this flu as well. my mind isn’t what it was earlier today. (or was that because of Primus?
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And how long did it take for me to lapse into this?
no, not really. I don’t particularly like most of the ubiquitous slappy and tappy stuff. But stuff like Trey Gunn’s Warr guitar playing with King Crimson… and some… simple slappy stuff… I want to learn it. I borrowed a Primus CD from the library (the CD being "Pork Soda") cos I thought I’d like Les Claypool from the little I’d heard… well, I knew it was kind of joke-ish. But really… it started to get annoying after a while if it initially wasn’t (and it was). But any way, I found myself trying to play the riff from King Crimson’s "Pictures of a City"… really fast, slapping. It didn’t sound all too bad… and then I went on trying to play this in tune: 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 a-5—–5–3–5–10—10-|—10-11-12-3–12-3—-.| And what’s the point in posting this here? Hmm… that’s a nice question. Probably something along the lines of "who to listen to if I want to hear tappin’n’slappin’ that’s not there just for the sake of itself and the player doesn’t just sound like a boring session musician either?"… but that’s probably all too much to ask?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And how long did it take for me to lapse into this?
> no, not really. I don’t particularly like most of the ubiquitous > slappy and tappy stuff. But stuff like Trey Gunn’s Warr guitar > playing with King Crimson… and some… simple slappy stuff… I > want to learn it. > I borrowed a Primus CD from the library (the CD being "Pork Soda") > cos I thought I’d like Les Claypool from the little I’d heard… > well, I knew it was kind of joke-ish. But really… it started to get > annoying after a while if it initially wasn’t (and it was). > But any way, I found myself trying to play the riff from King > Crimson’s "Pictures of a City"… really fast, slapping. It didn’t > sound all too bad… > and then I went on trying to play this in tune: > 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 > a-5—–5–3–5–10—10-|—10-11-12-3–12-3—-.| > And what’s the point in posting this here? Hmm… that’s a nice > question. Probably something along the lines of "who to listen to if > I want to hear tappin’n’slappin’ that’s not there just for the sake > of itself and the player doesn’t just sound like a boring session > musician either?"… but that’s probably all too much to ask?
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For me it’s an effect. Ever heard Big Noise From Winnetka? (played by a lot of bands.. old time jazzy number) That’s where an upright is played with the drummer hitting the strings with sticks..and to me that’s what tap/slap is.. a percussive effect. If I wanted to play drums, I’d play drums. Lately everytime I go into a music store some kid is slapping his brains out.. pinkety ponkety plunkety clank.. I’m impressed by the idea of someone spending hours learning something I’ve never had a real use for. *S* If I were you.. I’d get a book on it instead of looking for cd’s or other players to cop off of.. then I’d use it where I thought it tasteful. Twang! — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).