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We’re heading over to Columbia, SC for my daughter’s graduation from Basic Training in the army.  We’ll be gone through next Sunday, so I’ll be off usenet during that time, and maybe a day or so extra. [After this she heads to San Antonio for AIT as a medic.  She's requested Iraq or Afghanistan after that.] Y’all have fun. And Happy Easter! -Miles

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>We’re heading over to Columbia, SC for my >daughter’s graduation from Basic Training >in the army.  We’ll be gone through next >Sunday, so I’ll be off usenet during that >time, and maybe a day or so extra. >[After this she heads to San Antonio for >AIT as a medic.  She's requested Iraq or >Afghanistan after that.] >Y’all have fun. >And Happy Easter! >-Miles

I hope she doesn’t get Iraq.  I know it’s her request, but still… Although she’d be in safer situations as a medic, than as a soldier. Enjoy your vacation. Pete — My God! It’s the future. –Fry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >We’re heading over to Columbia, SC for my >daughter’s graduation from Basic Training >in the army.  We’ll be gone through next >Sunday, so I’ll be off usenet during that >time, and maybe a day or so extra. >[After this she heads to San Antonio for >AIT as a medic.  She's requested Iraq or >Afghanistan after that.] >Y’all have fun. >And Happy Easter! >-Miles

Please convey my appreciation for her service, and my hope for her safe and speedy return. Claude

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In article <pan.2004.04.11.20.44.43.147782 > We’re heading over to Columbia, SC for my > daughter’s graduation from Basic Training > in the army.  We’ll be gone through next > Sunday, so I’ll be off usenet during that > time, and maybe a day or so extra.

Kewl…congrats to her success thus far! A coworker of mine is heading up that way too, his son’s graduating basic as well.  Don’t know how many cycles they are running, but I’d guess they’re probably in same class…his last name is Anderson. We’re a straight shot down I-95 from there, just before you leave GA to FL. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [After this she heads to San Antonio for > AIT as a medic.  She's requested Iraq or > Afghanistan after that.] > Y’all have fun. > And Happy Easter! > -Miles

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> I hope she doesn’t get Iraq.  I know it’s her request, but still… > Although she’d be in safer situations as a medic, than as a soldier.

Don’t say that around a medic..heheheh. Medics are soldiers too, Pete…they even have to qualify on weapons, just like truck driving/cooking/wrench-turning soldiers do. Steve

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>> I hope she doesn’t get Iraq.  I know it’s her request, but still… > Although she’d be in safer situations as a medic, than as a soldier. >Don’t say that around a medic..heheheh.

Because they might not feel that hypocritic oath applies to them! >Medics are soldiers too, Pete…they even have to >qualify on weapons, just like truck >driving/cooking/wrench-turning soldiers do. >Steve

Sure, but you do know what I mean anyhow. Actually, the situation in Iraq is so volatile right now, that I wouldn’t want to be over there in any capacity. Pete — My God! It’s the future. –Fry

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> Kewl…congrats to her success thus far!

Thanks!  I’ll pass that on. > A coworker of mine is heading up that way too, his son’s graduating basic > as well.  Don’t know how many cycles they are running, but I’d guess > they’re probably in same class…his last name is Anderson.

If it’s this week, they’re in basic together, and graduate Thursday, if I understand correctly. But I believe there are five companies graduating, so they may not have met.  I’ll keep my ears open, anyway. > We’re a straight shot down I-95 from there, just before you leave GA to > FL.

I really wish we had time to come by!  But we’ll be hopping on I-20 Friday morning to Atlanta to see Sharon’s mom and have dinner with 30 or 40 people, then head back toward home on Saturday.

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Pete said: > Although she’d be in safer situations as a medic, than as a soldier.

Steve replied: > Don’t say that around a medic..heheheh.

Not unless you want to be a practice dummy. “Nope, don’t need this… or this…” Meatball surgery! > Medics are soldiers too, Pete…they even have to qualify on weapons, just > like truck > driving/cooking/wrench-turning soldiers do.

Esther qual’d with the M16 no problem, since she grew up shooting.  Apparently grenade practice was a bit tougher…

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> Please convey my appreciation for her service, and my hope for her safe > and speedy return.

Will do, Claude, thanks. -Miles

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>Esther qual’d with the M16 no problem, since >she grew up shooting.  Apparently grenade >practice was a bit tougher…

That’s the trouble with parents these days.  They just don’t teach their kids how to throw grenades anymore.  So you never took your daughter hunting?  (There’s nothing more dangerous than a wounded mosquito!) I don’t think I’d want a grenade exploding as close as how far I can toss a tennis ball for the dogs, and they don’t even weigh all that much! Pete — My God! It’s the future. –Fry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->We’re heading over to Columbia, SC for my >daughter’s graduation from Basic Training >in the army.  We’ll be gone through next >Sunday, so I’ll be off usenet during that >time, and maybe a day or so extra. >[After this she heads to San Antonio for >AIT as a medic.  She's requested Iraq or >Afghanistan after that.] >Y’all have fun. >And Happy Easter! >-Miles > Please convey my appreciation for her service, > and my hope for her safe and speedy return.

Ditto and Amen.  I will pray for her, I’m sure you always do.  May God bless and protect her.

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Congrats Miles. I just got back from Clemson yesterday. My eldest starts there in August. ROTC. Clarke

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We’re heading over to Columbia, SC for my > daughter’s graduation from Basic Training > in the army.  We’ll be gone through next > Sunday, so I’ll be off usenet during that > time, and maybe a day or so extra. > [After this she heads to San Antonio for > AIT as a medic.  She's requested Iraq or > Afghanistan after that.] > Y’all have fun. > And Happy Easter! > -Miles

All the best to you and your’s, Miles. I’ll send Esther all the good vibes I can spare, I’ll bet your’re EXTRA proud of her, and of course, …. a little worried (the yin/yang of parenthood, eh?). I’m sure we ALL gets posted. Could you send me her APO address when she’s posted, I’m sure a few of us would send her postcards…… dw

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I lived in ear shot of that base, back in 76 ( unless there is yet another)  There were some great Gospial Churches in the same ear shot. Have a safe trip.  I wonder if Terry Oier is still on the air, and if the Star Gang still ROCKS.  Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We’re heading over to Columbia, SC for my > daughter’s graduation from Basic Training > in the army.  We’ll be gone through next > Sunday, so I’ll be off usenet during that > time, and maybe a day or so extra. > [After this she heads to San Antonio for > AIT as a medic.  She's requested Iraq or > Afghanistan after that.] > Y’all have fun. > And Happy Easter! > -Miles

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Thanks – that was made clear by others after I posted. Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x") > It doesn’t pay to get into thermodynamics on Usenet. Trust me, there’s a > reason. It’s more efficient running less displacement at higher pressures to > generate the same power. That’s what they’re trying to do. > …IOW – what it boils down to is: Why is higher concentration of fuel in > fewer cylinders more efficient than lower concentration of fuel across > more cylinders?  Honest question – deserves an honest answer.

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> It doesn’t pay to get into thermodynamics on Usenet. Trust me, there’s a > reason. It’s more efficient running less displacement at higher pressures to > generate the same power. That’s what they’re trying to do.

Running at higher pressures is independent of displacement though.  The comment was that smaller displacement cylinders yielded lower emissions.   I’ve seen not data that supports that.  Higher compression ratios might well accomplish this, but that is not a function of cylinder displacement.  Running at higher temps also increases efficiency, but again that isn’t a function of displacement either. Matt

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> You’re getting to the meat of it now; in 1981, Cadillac had ONLY the V864 > and the Olds Diesel to pick from. Tough year. In 1982, they had only the > HT4100 and Diesel. Even worse year.  At least the V864’s could easily be > converted to regular 368’s. There wasn’t anything you could do with the > blockless wonder HT4100.

"Blockless wonder" indeed. Very apt. To be honest, the biggest problem the HT4100 had was that it was an engine of a size and cylinder geometry that made it suitable for a car the size of a Camaro and it was put in a car the size of the Queen Mary, and so they all spent their (short) lives running flat-out and lugged down. Its "evolved forms"- the 4.5 and 4.9- were actually pretty decent powerplants. Not in the same league as the Northstar, but not terrible.

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> > It doesn’t pay to get into thermodynamics on Usenet. Trust me, there’s a > reason. It’s more efficient running less displacement at higher pressures to > generate the same power. That’s what they’re trying to do. > Running at higher pressures is independent of displacement though.  The > comment was that smaller displacement cylinders yielded lower emissions. >   I’ve seen not data that supports that.  Higher compression ratios > might well accomplish this, but that is not a function of cylinder > displacement.  Running at higher temps also increases efficiency, but > again that isn’t a function of displacement either. > Matt

Matt, While the phrase "running at higher cylinder pressure" could mean a couple of things, rather than taking it to mean higher compression ratio, in the context of the discussion (since the demand for power will represent a greater percentage of the smaller engine’s total capability), for a given power demand in the same relatively heavy vehicle, I took it to mean that the throttle on a smaller displacement engine will have to be open much wider, so there will be less intake vacuum, and more air will get packed into the cylinder – in effect, with a smaller displacement engine with the same nominal CR, the actual cylinder pressure will be higher due to being much closer to WOT operation (than you would be with higher displacement). Then again, since the term is ambiguous, maybe I’m reading it all wrong but it made sense to me with the interpretation I gave it. Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x") —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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You’re getting to the meat of it now; in 1981, Cadillac had ONLY the V864 and the Olds Diesel to pick from. Tough year. In 1982, they had only the HT4100 and Diesel. Even worse year.  At least the V864’s could easily be converted to regular 368’s. There wasn’t anything you could do with the blockless wonder HT4100. Mechanically, great strides have been made that have allowed, among other things, variable valve timing to seem perfectly ordinary and reliable. Valve defeating is easier than that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Several miles per gallon. Probably 10%, but I don’t remember the numbers > exactly- its been close to 30 years :-p. I do remember tha the V-8-6-4 > with a  6-liter (368 CID) v8 got better mileage than the HT4100 (4.1 > Liters, about 250 CID) in the same vehicles, AND had a lot more power > available when needed. Come to think of it, the HT4100 didn’t hold up a > whole lot better than the 8-6-4 either, which should tell you something > about the state of affairs at Cadillac in the late 70s…. and give > confidence that Chrysler could make a reliable 8-6-4 engine.

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It doesn’t pay to get into thermodynamics on Usenet. Trust me, there’s a reason. It’s more efficient running less displacement at higher pressures to generate the same power. That’s what they’re trying to do.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> …It’s actually a pretty good idea as you don’t loose all that much > energy to the dead cylinders and still have 8 cylinder power and > torque available when you want it.  Economical for the work week and a > tire smoker for the weekend.  Doesn’t get any better than that! >                       Steve B. > OK, Steve.  Help me out here. > I’m trying to visualize an eight cylinder engine running on 8 cylinders > and then running on only 4 cylinders with the other 4 free wheeling. > For the life of me, I can’t see why there would be less fuel consumed > with a given amount of fuel concentrated over only 4 cylinders than the > exact same total amount of fuel distributed over all 8 cylinders.  I > mean, (for that to be true) for a given load (obviously reduced if it’s > trimmed back to 4 cylinders), for firing on 4 vs. 8, why would the 4 > firing be more efficient than all 8 firing with less fuel in each > cylinder (same amount of power has to reach the driving wheels in either > case, therefore same amount of fuel has to be burned **UNLESS** > efficiency is somewhow magically improved just from the fact of having 4 > cylinders firing to produce the same amount of reduced power). > IOW – what it boils down to is: Why is higher concentration of fuel in > fewer cylinders more efficient than lower concentration of fuel across > more cylinders?  Honest question – deserves an honest answer. > Bill Putney > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > address with "x") > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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> > …Here’s a nother thing to consider: On that vehicle, the great majority > of fuel usage is not going to be in the low power demand situation when > it can drop down to 4 cylinders.  I would think that if it can beat the > regular engine in mpg, it will definitiely not be in stop and go driving > (due to the parasitic drain of the extra weight and friction) – only for > 95+% hiway driving – and then it will only be marginal, and the added > costs will never be recovered.  Throw in just a little stop-and-go, and > any gains will have quickly been swamped out. > Why do you say that?  Even at 70 MPH most cars require less than 1/3 of > their available horsepower.  4 of 8 cylinders should be adequate up to > well above 70 MPH for most vehicles.

I was thinking that you could have great mileage for half a tank, and then do a couple of hours of in-city stop-and-go in which all 8 were constantly on for rapid acceleration from a dead stop, and the average for the tank (total miles traveled

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> > not really they found that after the engines were run that when they > cooled > down condensation would form and in the cold, freeze so that was the fix > from what they told us in school at the training center > How is a car that’s left overnight in sub zero freezing weather going to > have any > heat at all in the cooling system to keep this condensation warm enough to > not > freeze?  Not to mention that when the engine isn’t running that the coolant > isn’t > circulating to keep this part warm.

I was wondering the same thing.  The only thing that makes sense is that the coolant heats the PCV hose, preventing the condensation from taking place while the engine is running.  After the engine stops, presumably there is no vapors there to condense.  But that is just a guess.

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one part cools of faster than the other when the car is shut off – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> not really they found that after the engines were run that when they > cooled > down condensation would form and in the cold, freeze so that was the fix > from what they told us in school at the training center > How is a car that’s left overnight in sub zero freezing weather going to > have any > heat at all in the cooling system to keep this condensation warm enough to > not > freeze?  Not to mention that when the engine isn’t running that the coolant > isn’t > circulating to keep this part warm. > Ted

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> not really they found that after the engines were run that when they cooled > down condensation would form and in the cold, freeze so that was the fix > from what they told us in school at the training center

How is a car that’s left overnight in sub zero freezing weather going to have any heat at all in the cooling system to keep this condensation warm enough to not freeze?  Not to mention that when the engine isn’t running that the coolant isn’t circulating to keep this part warm. Ted

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not really they found that after the engines were run that when they cooled down condensation would form and in the cold, freeze so that was the fix from what they told us in school at the training center – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I noticed something interesting from the 2002 LH service > manual.  The PCV hose on these vehicles contains a heat > exchanger.  Coolant from the cooling system is circulated > through this inline heat exchanger.  I suspect that this > improves engine performance somewhat by cooling the hot PCV > gases before they enter the intake manifold, although I can’t > imagine the gain would be that great with this setup. > I can’t imagine it either. Maybe it’s actually supposed to warm the > vapor in cold climates to prevent the vapors from condensing out in the > line before getting to the intake? > But get this: Step one for replacing the PCV hose is to drain > the engine coolant.  Good grief. > Holy cats. And I thought the liquid-cooled alternator on some Cadillacs > was the height of unnecessary stupidity….

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I noticed something interesting from the 2002 LH service manual.  The PCV hose on these vehicles contains a heat exchanger.  Coolant from the cooling system is circulated through this inline heat exchanger.  I suspect that this improves engine performance somewhat by cooling the hot PCV gases before they enter the intake manifold, although I can’t imagine the gain would be that great with this setup. But get this: Step one for replacing the PCV hose is to drain the engine coolant.  Good grief. I have a 99 LH vehicle, and my service manual for this model year makes no mention of this, and I didn’t notice anything like that on the car, so I guess my year was spared. Anyone know why Chrysler did this?

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> I noticed something interesting from the 2002 LH service > manual.  The PCV hose on these vehicles contains a heat > exchanger.  Coolant from the cooling system is circulated > through this inline heat exchanger.  I suspect that this > improves engine performance somewhat by cooling the hot PCV > gases before they enter the intake manifold, although I can’t > imagine the gain would be that great with this setup.

I can’t imagine it either. Maybe it’s actually supposed to warm the vapor in cold climates to prevent the vapors from condensing out in the line before getting to the intake? > But get this: Step one for replacing the PCV hose is to drain > the engine coolant.  Good grief.

Holy cats. And I thought the liquid-cooled alternator on some Cadillacs was the height of unnecessary stupidity….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Yeah, I can see the PCV and everything back there, but they > >sure don’t give you any room to work, as the PCV valve is tandalizingly > just > >beyond the hood opening….. > You’ll find there’s *just enough* room to get it out of there.  It clears, > but without any room to spare. > Are there any brands of PCV valves that are better than others? Or should I > get the MOPAR part? > Wasn’t hard, though.  Nothing at all like the PITA changing the belts is. > Yeah, I’ll think I"ll outtask that job to the dealer.

I think in the case of PCV valves, I’d go with the OEM part.  I’ve seen some pretty crappy aftermarket PCV valves even in the major brands, including Purolator. BTW – all the visual clutter around in the PCV valve area of your engine I think is the cooling system hoses – heater hoses tee-ing into the hoses going to the pressurized coolant reservoir, etc. Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x") —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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>Yeah, I can see the PCV and everything back there, but they >sure don’t give you any room to work, as the PCV valve is tandalizingly just >beyond the hood opening…..

You’ll find there’s *just enough* room to get it out of there.  It clears, but without any room to spare. Wasn’t hard, though.  Nothing at all like the PITA changing the belts is. –Geoff

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> >Yeah, I can see the PCV and everything back there, but they >sure don’t give you any room to work, as the PCV valve is tandalizingly > just >beyond the hood opening….. > You’ll find there’s *just enough* room to get it out of there.  It clears, > but without any room to spare.

Are there any brands of PCV valves that are better than others? Or should I get the MOPAR part? > Wasn’t hard, though.  Nothing at all like the PITA changing the belts is.

Yeah, I’ll think I"ll outtask that job to the dealer.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has anyone here checked the PCV valve on the 3.2L second > gen. LH engine (3.5L is similar)?  I haven’t tried it yet, > but it looks awfully cramped back there in the very rear of > the hood compartment because of close clearances.   Even the > simple PCV hose disappears in maze of spaghetti.  Any hints > or tricks out there? > Greg, > The plumbing to the PCV valve is a single hose from the rear of the left > (U.S. driver’s side) valve cover – a couple of 90

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Hello: Realize there a zillion variables, but might someone please provide a salary range for a person just starting out as an auto technician, perhaps getting a first job in a dealership ? Assuming the completion of an approx. 1 year auto technician school, or possibly the 2 year training with an associates degree. Might as well also ask: what might be a career path down the road, regarding salary, responsibilities, etc. ? job outlook look good ? Any opinions on as a career would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob

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If is you intention to be on the high end the salary scale in the automobile business, rather than just a $25 an hour grease monkey or a parts changer, I would suggest you obtain at least an associates degree in electronics.  We have to pay twice as much per hour, as we did just five or six years ago, to keep our best techs.  The highest paid techs in the business today will soon be earning in the six figures, those that are capable of diagnosing faults in the electronics. We operate 26 fleet service centers in six eastern sates, our shop rates in some markets are running over $100 per hour in order for our managers to attract and keep the best of the best.  In the not to distant future the job will require a graduate degree. Every manufacture today has a direct satellite system of some sort that connects the dealerships and service centers like ours to factory engineers, because so many of the techs are not capable of properly analyzing defects in the microprocessors closed loop system. mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > www.salary.com > Hello: > Realize there a zillion variables, but might someone please provide a > salary > range > for a person just starting out as an auto technician, perhaps getting a > first job > in a dealership ? > Assuming the completion of an approx. 1 year auto technician school, or > possibly the 2 year > training with an associates degree. > Might as well also ask: > what might be a career path down the road, regarding salary, > responsibilities, etc. ? > job outlook look good ? > Any opinions on as a career would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Bob > Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com >                <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>

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U.S. ammunition plant reaching its limit: The U.S. military’s only plant making small-arms ammunition is running at near capacity, 4 million rounds a day, and the United States still is forced to look overseas and to the recreational industry for ammunition for troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and those training to deploy there soon. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001834393_ammo11.html ===

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Hmm, that sounds like there is going to be a "surprise" in the near future…..

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  Jihadists will soon be enlightened by "the light of a thousand suns"!   > Hmm, that sounds like there is going to be a "surprise" in the near   > future…..   >   >

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My take – I started Yoga at the wife’s insistance it would help with back > pains caused by a sedentary lifestyle and too much sitting in front of the > computer. Did it twice a week for 4 weeks before xmas and I must say that > the back pains went and having not done any yoga since the 22nd – I’m > holding up OK for once. Xmas usually destroys my back and when I’m miserable > anything can stress me out and make the pains worse… Work and yoga starts > on the 5th. Tomorrow’s my B’day anyway so Yoga can wait… > Anyway, I’m actually really impressed. Results after 1 week and lasting > effects (well for 2 weeks or so after anyway) so 10 points to Wifey! > So I’m nearing 30, unfit, as flexible as an outside doorknob and I’m > attempting the rubber man exercise routine – I thought this ain’t going to > work for me… Luckily it’s a very gradual approach . if you can bend your > knees, arms and tilt forward from the waist to have a pee – you can do it. > So there – not as difficult and really worth trying out IMO. Just wished I’d > started 3 years ago when the pains started.

I used to yoga but sort of got out of it. (you know how it is when you let things start to slide). My take: Yoga is a VERY advanced form of exercise. The basic concept (as opposed to all the exercise gear hyped on TV) is that one uses the bones and joints of the body itself as an exercise machine. Levering this muscle against that one. Etc. All those strange positions are what does this! The cool thing is all you need is yourself and a rug. No Jack Lalane equipment etc. Another basic concept is that the exercises are static rather than dynamic. The idea is that by taking given muscles and stretching them to give it greater flexibility, the nerve receptors in that muscle are stimulated and in turn reflect that stimulation back upon the rest of the body. Think of it as giving yourself a massage or accupressure etc. The bottom line for back stuff is that if you do the positions that stretch your back muscles that not only makes them much less prone to cramping up, but also stimulates the connecting nerves which relaxes them and keep the nerves from spontaneously telling the muscles to cramp! Bottom line: Yeah it takes some time and effort, but does work! My final warning to anyone attempting to do yoga: These exercises are FAR more powerful than you think! Start VERY easy. It’s SO easy to overdo them if you are a newbie. And if you do you’ll strain things that will take you MONTHS to get over! It happened to me, and also happened to other people I know who started Yoga in spite of me warning them about it! I Know, I know, it didn’t FEEL like you were overdoing it. But that’s how it works. Start VERY easy! Benj — Due to SPAM innundation above address is turned off!

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Phew Benj – Didn’t know half of what you posted there. Thanks. I think my attitude to taking it up was about right – absolute scepticism – minimalist and just stick to the 20 min routine until it’s getting easy. It still hasn’t got easy but there are a couple of exercises that I’ll do twice now. It took 2 weeks to be convinced though. cb

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> Phew Benj – Didn’t know half of what you posted there. Thanks. > I think my attitude to taking it up was about right – absolute scepticism – > minimalist and just stick to the 20 min routine until it’s getting easy. It > still hasn’t got easy but there are a couple of exercises that I’ll do twice > now. > It took 2 weeks to be convinced though. > cb

I had lots of stiffness, back pain and range of motion problems. My wife suggested a TV show on Yoga for me. She called it right on that one. Yoga actually improved my playing considerably, not to mention my ability to load, unload and set up the band equipment without further injury.

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I do, about 20 min. a night right before bed. I could totaly tell an improvement within the first few days, now im so use to being flexable that i can’t remember what it was like before. BF

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just a quick poll here: > Do you do yoga? > Does your back ache from bass/lugging gear? > Is/would yoga be a back related remedy that you have/would consider(ed) > If [yoga] then print results. > Transl: If you’ve done yoga because of back related pains then please tell. > My take – I started Yoga at the wife’s insistance it would help with back > pains caused by a sedentary lifestyle and too much sitting in front of the > computer. Did it twice a week for 4 weeks before xmas and I must say that > the back pains went and having not done any yoga since the 22nd – I’m > holding up OK for once. Xmas usually destroys my back and when I’m miserable > anything can stress me out and make the pains worse… Work and yoga starts > on the 5th. Tomorrow’s my B’day anyway so Yoga can wait… > Anyway, I’m actually really impressed. Results after 1 week and lasting > effects (well for 2 weeks or so after anyway) so 10 points to Wifey! > So I’m nearing 30, unfit, as flexible as an outside doorknob and I’m > attempting the rubber man exercise routine – I thought this ain’t going to > work for me… Luckily it’s a very gradual approach . if you can bend your > knees, arms and tilt forward from the waist to have a pee – you can do it. > So there – not as difficult and really worth trying out IMO. Just wished I’d > started 3 years ago when the pains started. > cb

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just a quick poll here: > Do you do yoga? > Does your back ache from bass/lugging gear? > Is/would yoga be a back related remedy that you have/would consider(ed) > If [yoga] then print results. > Transl: If you’ve done yoga because of back related pains then please tell. > My take – I started Yoga at the wife’s insistance it would help with back > pains caused by a sedentary lifestyle and too much sitting in front of the > computer. Did it twice a week for 4 weeks before xmas and I must say that > the back pains went and having not done any yoga since the 22nd – I’m > holding up OK for once. Xmas usually destroys my back and when I’m miserable > anything can stress me out and make the pains worse… Work and yoga starts > on the 5th. Tomorrow’s my B’day anyway so Yoga can wait… > Anyway, I’m actually really impressed. Results after 1 week and lasting > effects (well for 2 weeks or so after anyway) so 10 points to Wifey! > So I’m nearing 30, unfit, as flexible as an outside doorknob and I’m > attempting the rubber man exercise routine – I thought this ain’t going to > work for me… Luckily it’s a very gradual approach . if you can bend your > knees, arms and tilt forward from the waist to have a pee – you can do it. > So there – not as difficult and really worth trying out IMO. Just wished I’d > started 3 years ago when the pains started. > cb

I go to the gym. running makes your legs stronger and more flexible and weight training handles the rest. And no I don’t look like ahnold. You dont have to train for size. I want to add yoga though.. as I’m growing older and Yoga is great for keeping supple and strong. helps breathing a lot, too. Twang! — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Just a quick poll here: Do you do yoga? Does your back ache from bass/lugging gear? Is/would yoga be a back related remedy that you have/would consider(ed) If [yoga] then print results. Transl: If you’ve done yoga because of back related pains then please tell. My take – I started Yoga at the wife’s insistance it would help with back pains caused by a sedentary lifestyle and too much sitting in front of the computer. Did it twice a week for 4 weeks before xmas and I must say that the back pains went and having not done any yoga since the 22nd – I’m holding up OK for once. Xmas usually destroys my back and when I’m miserable anything can stress me out and make the pains worse… Work and yoga starts on the 5th. Tomorrow’s my B’day anyway so Yoga can wait… Anyway, I’m actually really impressed. Results after 1 week and lasting effects (well for 2 weeks or so after anyway) so 10 points to Wifey! So I’m nearing 30, unfit, as flexible as an outside doorknob and I’m attempting the rubber man exercise routine – I thought this ain’t going to work for me… Luckily it’s a very gradual approach . if you can bend your knees, arms and tilt forward from the waist to have a pee – you can do it. So there – not as difficult and really worth trying out IMO. Just wished I’d started 3 years ago when the pains started. cb

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And yes, he was a smoker. > > Paula >       ‘Home Improvement’ actor dies >       NEW YORK (AP) –Actor Earl Hindman, best known for playing a neighbor > whose face was forever obscured by a fence on the television show "Home > Improvement," died of lung cancer Monday in Stamford, Connecticut. He was > 61. >       As Wilson, the neighbor of Tim Allen’s character on the long-running > sitcom, Hindman dispensed folksy advice from behind a white picket fence, > with only his eyes and forehead visible to audiences. Before appearing on > the show, he played Detective Lt. Bob Reid for 16 years on the daytime drama > "Ryan’s Hope." >       He made his name in New York theater, appearing in "Dark of the Moon" > off-Broadway in 1970 and in "The Basic Training of Pavlo Hummel" at the > Public Theater in 1971. He also acted in two short-lived Broadway plays and > in several movies, including "The Ballad of the Sad Cafe" (1991) and "Final" > (2001). >       He was born in Bisbee, Arizona, and studied acting at the University > of Arizona in Tucson.

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And yes, he was a smoker. Paula       ‘Home Improvement’ actor dies       NEW YORK (AP) –Actor Earl Hindman, best known for playing a neighbor whose face was forever obscured by a fence on the television show "Home Improvement," died of lung cancer Monday in Stamford, Connecticut. He was 61.       As Wilson, the neighbor of Tim Allen’s character on the long-running sitcom, Hindman dispensed folksy advice from behind a white picket fence, with only his eyes and forehead visible to audiences. Before appearing on the show, he played Detective Lt. Bob Reid for 16 years on the daytime drama "Ryan’s Hope."       He made his name in New York theater, appearing in "Dark of the Moon" off-Broadway in 1970 and in "The Basic Training of Pavlo Hummel" at the Public Theater in 1971. He also acted in two short-lived Broadway plays and in several movies, including "The Ballad of the Sad Cafe" (1991) and "Final" (2001).       He was born in Bisbee, Arizona, and studied acting at the University of Arizona in Tucson.

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And yes, he was a smoker. Paula       ‘Home Improvement’ actor dies       NEW YORK (AP) –Actor Earl Hindman, best known for playing a neighbor whose face was forever obscured by a fence on the television show "Home Improvement," died of lung cancer Monday in Stamford, Connecticut. He was 61.       As Wilson, the neighbor of Tim Allen’s character on the long-running sitcom, Hindman dispensed folksy advice from behind a white picket fence, with only his eyes and forehead visible to audiences. Before appearing on the show, he played Detective Lt. Bob Reid for 16 years on the daytime drama "Ryan’s Hope."       He made his name in New York theater, appearing in "Dark of the Moon" off-Broadway in 1970 and in "The Basic Training of Pavlo Hummel" at the Public Theater in 1971. He also acted in two short-lived Broadway plays and in several movies, including "The Ballad of the Sad Cafe" (1991) and "Final" (2001).       He was born in Bisbee, Arizona, and studied acting at the University of Arizona in Tucson.

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Hi All Just back from Kilimanjaro (Rongai Route) and Tarangire Conservation Area. Had a brilliant time, and can recommend the Treetops lodge in Tarangire for those who like a bit of peace and quiet! If anyone’s interested, I’ve put up a load of photos at www.tomalin.org/charles/tanzania Enjoy Charles — www.wildviews.com Natural History Photography

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>Hi All >Just back from Kilimanjaro (Rongai Route) and Tarangire Conservation Area. >Had a brilliant time, and can recommend the Treetops lodge in Tarangire for >those who like a bit of peace and quiet! >If anyone’s interested, I’ve put up a load of photos at >www.tomalin.org/charles/tanzania >Enjoy >Charles

Charles, What wonderful photos!   You`ve done it again! I`m not going up Kili  but  seeing it is certainly an experience not to be forgotten. I like the look of  the Treetops Lodge. I always loved baobabs. I shall put your photos in my favourites again. Well done and thanks for sharing  them with us. Pat — Pat Anderson

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>If anyone’s interested, I’ve put up a load of photos at >www.tomalin.org/charles/tanzania

Charles, thanks, very good photographs! Hans-Georg — No mail, please.

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Thanks for your comments Pat and Hans-Georg. I try! As I’ve just ‘gone digital’ this year (these are my first serious efforts) I confess to taking an awful lot of shots on the basis that it costs nothing extra. The ones on the tomalin.org pages have been filtered down from around 600 pictures… If anyone wants info on my experience with digital, drop me a line. I don’t want to take up space here as its a bit off-topic. Rgds Charles www.wildviews.com Natural History Photography —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->If anyone’s interested, I’ve put up a load of photos at >www.tomalin.org/charles/tanzania > Charles, > thanks, very good photographs! > Hans-Georg > — > No mail, please.

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> If anyone wants info on my experience with digital, drop me a line. > I don’t want to take up space here as its a bit off-topic.

According to the charter: "Rec.travel.africa shall be open for discussion about all facets of travel on the continent. Primarily topics like how-to-get there, how-to-get-around, accomodation, wildlife, and other travel related issues are the aim of this group. Even though the main topic and dominant subject feature is travel, discussion may also include topics such as culture, archaeology, architecture, ethnology, photography, history, geology, politics, diving, mountain climbing, arts, music, cuisine, ecology, ornithology, etc." So, since I also loved your pix, post away… Liz — Virtual Liz at http://www.v-liz.co.uk Kenya; Tanzania; India; Seychelles New Aug ‘03: Namibia "I speak of Africa and golden joys"

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>Thanks for your comments Pat and Hans-Georg. >I try! >As I’ve just ‘gone digital’ this year (these are my first serious efforts)

Charles, me too. >I confess to taking an awful lot of shots on the basis that it costs nothing >extra. The ones on the tomalin.org pages have been filtered down from around >600 pictures…

It does cost something extra. It costs you your audience. Got to be selective, otherwise nobody will want to keep looking at your many photos. I think you did that very well. Exactly because photography is now so cheap and easy, we get a flood of poor photos. If you want yours to be seen, you have to make photos that stick out. Which isn’t actually that difficult, because most people are not ambitious and merely take photos because it’s fun to take them and because they want to catch and remember the moment. Once you decide to take photos for a general audience, there’s your ambition. Hans-Georg (http://www.michna.com/kenya2003/) — No mail, please.

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Hi Nice pictures I also came back recently from my trip but it seems like you had a bit better weather than me. On your page you say "An amazing experience (and a bit of hard work)". Just "a bit of hard work"? I found it to be harder than expected but I did reach the top. Well, I have posted my pictures on www.gardkarlsen.com Regards Gard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi All > Just back from Kilimanjaro (Rongai Route) and Tarangire Conservation Area. > Had a brilliant time, and can recommend the Treetops lodge in Tarangire for > those who like a bit of peace and quiet! > If anyone’s interested, I’ve put up a load of photos at > www.tomalin.org/charles/tanzania > Enjoy > Charles > — > www.wildviews.com > Natural History Photography

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Ah well I confess I was in training for 6 months before going! (At my age I wasn’t leaving anything to chance). Yes the weather was very good. On the morning after we got back to Marangu, it rained for the first time. I suspect this would have made our route somewhat harder as it was *very* dusty, and so would have been turned to mud. I was very impressed with the detail and layout of your report. I don’t have the time unfortunately (or sufficient access to the PC -wife and 2 children to support ) to do that amount of work. I would recommend your site to anyone else headnig for ‘the big hill’ as a very useful source of info. Also, I had to laugh at your wife’s comment "just do it.just leave me out of it" – almost exactly what my wife said…. Rgds Charles — www.wildviews.com Natural History Photography —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi > Nice pictures I also came back recently from my trip but it seems like > you had a bit better weather than me. On your page you say "An amazing > experience (and a bit of hard work)". Just "a bit of hard work"? I found it > to be harder than expected but I did reach the top. Well, I have posted my > pictures on www.gardkarlsen.com > Regards > Gard > Hi All > Just back from Kilimanjaro (Rongai Route) and Tarangire Conservation Area. > Had a brilliant time, and can recommend the Treetops lodge in Tarangire > for > those who like a bit of peace and quiet! > If anyone’s interested, I’ve put up a load of photos at > www.tomalin.org/charles/tanzania > Enjoy > Charles > — > www.wildviews.com > Natural History Photography

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Ah my point was that I don’t have to worry about the film costs. The problem with the audience has always been there, and I’ve always taken a lot more shots than I would use – it just used to cost more. I used to reckon on around 6 good shots per roll. Easy rule, if you take two shots each time (different composition, focus etc), half of the time the second shot will be better, so you immediately improve half your images – think about it… Take three shots, and two thirds of your images will be better.. My last trip out there was for a week on safari and a week in Zanzibar. I took 40 rolls (1400 shots), which cost me UKP150 to process (special deal) plus the film cost, and I had to keep rewinding films and reloading while shooting. What I love with digital is not only the cost reduction bit, but also I can dump them onto the PC and filter down to the useful 15% within a day or so. I’ve also found I can get prints done (and only of the ones I want…) for 20p for 7×5s, online; so I don’t even have to go down to the processing lab any more!! Fantastic. The prints I get are as good as my old negative based ones, and of course I can crop, recolour etc before submitting if I want to. No contest – digital it is for me. Incidentally I used two cameras – a Nikon D100 SLR, mostly for Safari; and a Canon Sureshot S50 (compact) mainly for Kili. I was amazed that the quality of the compact shots was as good as the SLR (5Mps versus 6Mps). The SLR now sits on a shelf, unless I need the big lens, or the macro. (oh yes, and my 300mm is now effectively a 420mm on the digital as well). Ah – happy man. Charles — www.wildviews.com Natural History Photography

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks for your comments Pat and Hans-Georg. >I try! >As I’ve just ‘gone digital’ this year (these are my first serious efforts) > Charles, > me too. >I confess to taking an awful lot of shots on the basis that it costs nothing >extra. The ones on the tomalin.org pages have been filtered down from around >600 pictures… > It does cost something extra. It costs you your audience. Got to > be selective, otherwise nobody will want to keep looking at your > many photos. I think you did that very well. > Exactly because photography is now so cheap and easy, we get a > flood of poor photos. If you want yours to be seen, you have to > make photos that stick out. Which isn’t actually that difficult, > because most people are not ambitious and merely take photos > because it’s fun to take them and because they want to catch and > remember the moment. Once you decide to take photos for a > general audience, there’s your ambition. > Hans-Georg (http://www.michna.com/kenya2003/) > — > No mail, please.

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>Ah my point was that I don’t have to worry about the film costs. >The problem with the audience has always been there, and I’ve always taken a >lot more shots than I would use – it just used to cost more. I used to >reckon on around 6 good shots per roll. >Easy rule, if you take two shots each time (different composition, focus >etc), half of the time the second shot will be better, so you immediately >improve half your images – think about it… Take three shots, and two >thirds of your images will be better..

Charles, that’s certainly true for the blind photographer. But it isn’t so for me. I can see the photo already in the viewfinder, so I usually take a first shot quickly, then wait for a better one. Surprisingly often, in the vast majority of all photos, the first remains the best, and quite often the second photo doesn’t get taken at all, because the situation deteriorates. There are exceptions, of course. When there is a lot of movement, I sometimes shoot away to later find the exceptional one, but such cases aren’t all that frequent. Very occasionally I activate the rapid-fire function on my camera. Then there’s the movie shot that’s never been there with film. I agree though that it is now cheaper to take some extra photos. But I still don’t find that I take more than I took with film. In fact I didn’t take all that many. I have become selective before I went digital. Hans-Georg http://www.michna.com/kenya2003/ — No mail, please.

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> Ah well I confess I was in training for 6 months before going! > (At my age I wasn’t leaving anything to chance).

Charles, I’d be interested to hear about your training regime: reasons why follow. I’ve visited Tanzania many times on business since 1996 but apart from a long weekend in the Selous (highly recommended!), most of my experience of the country has involved the inside of offices in Dar and Arusha, with the odd brief trip to Mwanza and a couple of other places.  I’ve flown over Kilimanjaro on many occasions (including one flight with Swissair where the pilot flew around most of the mountain and we had some fantastic views) but have never set foot on it.  As I’m planning to go in two years time to celebrate my half century. Many thanks for the excellent photos! Andrew

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 I can see the photo already in the viewfinder, so I > usually take a first shot quickly, then wait for a better one. > Surprisingly often, in the vast majority of all photos, the > first remains the best, and quite often the second photo doesn’t > get taken at all, because the situation deteriorates.

Good for you! I’m not selective enough, so I to tend to fire off a shot fairly quickly, especially if it’s a species which is new to me, then wait to see if I can get closer or something better happens, and often I do/it does. I do waste a lot of film, though, so your way is no doubt best. The thing is, I do different things with my slides. If I’m doing talks to birding/wildlife groups, I show a mostly different set of slides than if I’m talking to camera clubs. Bird groups just like to see nice birds, and can forgive less than perfect compositions if the bird is nice or interesting and you can talk a lot about it…..(I can usually talk for Scotland…) Liz — Virtual Liz at http://www.v-liz.co.uk Kenya; Tanzania; India; Seychelles New Aug ‘03: Namibia "I speak of Africa and golden joys"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I can see the photo already in the viewfinder, so I > usually take a first shot quickly, then wait for a better one. > Surprisingly often, in the vast majority of all photos, the > first remains the best, and quite often the second photo doesn’t > get taken at all, because the situation deteriorates. >Good for you! >I’m not selective enough, so I to tend to fire off a shot fairly quickly, >especially if it’s a species which is new to me, then wait to see if I can >get closer or something better happens, and often I do/it does. I do waste a >lot of film, though, so your way is no doubt best. >The thing is, I do different things with my slides. >If I’m doing talks to birding/wildlife groups, I show a mostly different set >of slides than if I’m talking to camera clubs. >Bird groups just like to see nice birds, and can forgive less than perfect >compositions if the bird is nice or interesting and you can talk a lot about >it…..(I can usually talk for Scotland…)

Liz, if you need a documentary photo of a rare bird, then it’s even more important to take one shot immediately, before even thinking. The reason is, of course, that the next second the bird may be gone. And a bad photo is sometimes better than no photo at all (although bad photographs always tire the audience, so you have to be careful here). On the other hand, it is one of the abilities of the professional photographer to take one shot, and that one is just correct in all aspects. It is perhaps a good idea for us amateurs to strive for this as well, as it sharpens our photographic abilities and draws our attention to the factors that tend to be forgotten by laymen. The amateur who learns to take each picture technically correctly and with the right framing will make better photos. I’ll ramble on a bit, because this may give some newcomers some ideas about how to improve their photos. To give one example, one of the most prevalent amateur errors is to have the main motive in the center of the photo, rather than the correct frame selected. In other words, when he takes a photo of a cat, the head or nose will be in the middle, one half of the photo will show empty background, and part of the cat may be cut off (which is not always bad, by the way), while the more learned photographer will have the frame around the cat. Another typical amateur mistake is the desire to have everything on the picture, while a well-chosen detail may yield a much better photo. I sometimes ponder this strange first shot phenomenon. (Why is the first shot so often the best?) One possible explanation is that you drive around or wait for a photo opportunity, and when you spot one, it is exactly because the situation is already better than the many others before where you didn’t pull the camera. So there’s a lot of ways for this situation to deteriorate, but it is rare for such a situation to improve on its own. I also often spot a photo while driving. Then I stop and find that I have to actually reverse and go back to the point where I spotted it, because it looks best from there. This is why you need to have to develop a photo culture with your driver when you don’t drive yourself. A good driver geared to supporting his clients’ photography should move the car even by a few feet if desired. When I drive and have photographing passengers, I often tell them to shout "stop" when they spot a photo opportunity. This reduces the problem that somebody in the car does spot one, but doesn’t dare to ask to halt the car or even go back. But I find, that, often enough when this is done, the other passengers also pull out their cameras and thus prove that it was worth the effort. Hans-Georg — No mail, please.

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Hi I still tend to go for the second (or third) shot of a scene . One reason is to change the composition: as Hans-Georg says – it is often better put the key focal point off centre, and when pressed for time (e.g. mammal on the move, bird fidgeting etc) pausing to get it ‘right first tmie’ may result in a good photo of the animal just leaving the frame. Having got one or two shots ‘in the can’ I also make sure I get a selection of vertical and horizontal compositions. With a good view / subject /composition I will happily take 5 or 6 shots over a couple of minutes (don’t forget the light changes as well). This is not a blunderbus approach – rather I try for 6 excellent pictures. Inevitably one or two will be better in some detail. One of the most common points I edit for is catchlights in the eye. If a bird flicks its head round just right, you can get that magical point of light which brings the whole thing to life. Similarly, active large mammals have a tendency to move their heads around at the critical moment. With digital I don’t have to worry about the costs anymore, or the time to switch films/cameras every 36 shots. Cheers Charles www.wildviews.com Natural History Photography

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I can see the photo already in the viewfinder, so I >> usually take a first shot quickly, then wait for a better one. >> Surprisingly often, in the vast majority of all photos, the >> first remains the best, and quite often the second photo doesn’t >> get taken at all, because the situation deteriorates. >Good for you! >I’m not selective enough, so I to tend to fire off a shot fairly quickly, >especially if it’s a species which is new to me, then wait to see if I can >get closer or something better happens, and often I do/it does. I do waste a >lot of film, though, so your way is no doubt best. >The thing is, I do different things with my slides. >If I’m doing talks to birding/wildlife groups, I show a mostly different set >of slides than if I’m talking to camera clubs. >Bird groups just like to see nice birds, and can forgive less than perfect >compositions if the bird is nice or interesting and you can talk a lot about >it…..(I can usually talk for Scotland…) > Liz, > if you need a documentary photo of a rare bird, then it’s even > more important to take one shot immediately, before even > thinking. The reason is, of course, that the next second the > bird may be gone. And a bad photo is sometimes better than no > photo at all (although bad photographs always tire the audience, > so you have to be careful here). > On the other hand, it is one of the abilities of the > professional photographer to take one shot, and that one is just > correct in all aspects. It is perhaps a good idea for us > amateurs to strive for this as well, as it sharpens our > photographic abilities and draws our attention to the factors > that tend to be forgotten by laymen. The amateur who learns to > take each picture technically correctly and with the right > framing will make better photos. I’ll ramble on a bit, because > this may give some newcomers some ideas about how to improve > their photos. > To give one example, one of the most prevalent amateur errors is > to have the main motive in the center of the photo, rather than > the correct frame selected. In other words, when he takes a > photo of a cat, the head or nose will be in the middle, one half > of the photo will show empty background, and part of the cat may > be cut off (which is not always bad, by the way), while the more > learned photographer will have the frame around the cat. Another > typical amateur mistake is the desire to have everything on the > picture, while a well-chosen detail may yield a much better > photo. > I sometimes ponder this strange first shot phenomenon. (Why is > the first shot so often the best?) One possible explanation is > that you drive around or wait for a photo opportunity, and when > you spot one, it is exactly because the situation is already > better than the many others before where you didn’t pull the > camera. So there’s a lot of ways for this situation to > deteriorate, but it is rare for such a situation to improve on > its own. > I also often spot a photo while driving. Then I stop and find > that I have to actually reverse and go back to the point where I > spotted it, because it looks best from there. This is why you > need to have to develop a photo culture with your driver when > you don’t drive yourself. A good driver geared to supporting his > clients’ photography should move the car even by a few feet if > desired. > When I drive and have photographing passengers, I often tell > them to shout "stop" when they spot a photo opportunity. This > reduces the problem that somebody in the car does spot one, but > doesn’t dare to ask to halt the car or even go back. But I find, > that, often enough when this is done, the other passengers also > pull out their cameras and thus prove that it was worth the > effort. > Hans-Georg > — > No mail, please.

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Hi Andrew I guess there are a few things I did – See the doctor a year before you go for a check-up, e.g. blood pressure and anything else he hasn’t told you Think about your weight. I decided I needed to lose 15lbs to get to my ‘ideal weight’, and I didn’t want to carry the extra weight up the hill…. From there I set a target weight for each month for the six months leading up to the climb. Don’t overdo the weightloss, as you need a bit of spare stored energy (maybe 3-4 lbs worth) before you start. Its surprising how much you burn off despite being well fed on the trek. Also don’t try to be losing weight up until the last minute. Aim for your target weight at least 4 weeks before you go to let your body settle into it. For actual training I went for hard graft circuit training (an hour) once a week for 5 months, and twice a week for the last 4 weeks. This was really tought o start with, but did get eaasier after 3-4 weeks. I also started off taking a walk every Sunday morning, with a trip to the Peak District once a month ( I live in Bedford which is real flat…). I increased the walks gradually from 8-10 miles to around 15 miles each week; then switched to running 5 miles every Sunday for the last 6 weeks. I also took the last week off completely (to allow a little recovery and avoid late injuries). I actually broke my toe 2-3 months in, which meant I had to skip 4-6 weeks completely, but it didn’t affect me in the end. The last tip (I got from someone else) was to bulk up on Carbohydrates during the last week. Athletes do this before a big race, as it provides easily accessed energy for the body. Plenty of pasta and rice etc. I probably overdid it really, but I felt great when I got to the top (not even a headache – thanks to Diamox?), whereas some of the others (somewhat younger) were far more tired. I confess I’ve put half a stone back on since getting back four weeks ago, but who cares now!! If anyone wants more info (I am not an expert here, but willing to share my experience) – drop me a line…. Just lose the "nospamspam" bit from the email. Charles www.wildviews.com Natural History Photography

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ah well I confess I was in training for 6 months before going! > (At my age I wasn’t leaving anything to chance). > Charles, > I’d be interested to hear about your training regime: reasons why follow. > I’ve visited Tanzania many times on business since 1996 but apart from a > long weekend in the Selous (highly recommended!), most of my experience of > the country has involved the inside of offices in Dar and Arusha, with the > odd brief trip to Mwanza and a couple of other places.  I’ve flown over > Kilimanjaro on many occasions (including one flight with Swissair where the > pilot flew around most of the mountain and we had some fantastic views) but > have never set foot on it.  As I’m planning to go in two years time to > celebrate my half century. > Many thanks for the excellent photos! > Andrew

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>One of the most common points I edit for is catchlights in the eye. If a >bird flicks its head round just right, you can get that magical point of >light which brings the whole thing to life.

Charles, ever thought of photoshopping them in? Hans-Georg — No mail, please.

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> >One of the most common points I edit for is catchlights in the eye. If a >bird flicks its head round just right, you can get that magical point of >light which brings the whole thing to life. > Charles, > ever thought of photoshopping them in?

<hollow laugh> One of my slides which is doing quite well in comps has a bird feeding its chick and both have highlights. At one comp, one of the other entrants said, "Och, Liz attacked her slide with a pin". Such a thought had *never* occurred to me, but apparently it’s an old trick. Liz — Virtual Liz at http://www.v-liz.co.uk "Okay, who put a ’stop payment’ on my reliaty check"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >One of the most common points I edit for is catchlights in the eye. If a > >bird flicks its head round just right, you can get that magical point of > >light which brings the whole thing to life. > ever thought of photoshopping them in? ><hollow laugh> >One of my slides which is doing quite well in comps has a bird feeding its >chick and both have highlights. >At one comp, one of the other entrants said, "Och, Liz attacked her slide >with a pin". >Such a thought had *never* occurred to me, but apparently it’s an old trick.

Liz, I once took a slide of a vulture on a tree from the side. The picture looked good, but the vulture’s face was rather dark, and the eyes were invisible. So I did just that, poked into the vulture’s eye with a needle. The result was a tad more than I wanted. The vulture now has a cyan-colored glowing eye that keeps surprising the audience no end. I also have photos of dik-diks and several other animals with glowing eyes, but those were caused by the flash that I used in some situations, occasionally even in bright sunlight. These pictures look eerie. Hans-Georg — No mail, please.

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9.8 Good job! With hope and heart, Kathleen — Hate the sin and not the sinner is a precept which though easy enough to understand is rarely practiced, and that is why the poison of hatred spreads in the world. – Mahatma Gandhi : Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch : mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most : of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. : 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told : my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, : the fall out is yet to come. : : Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i : Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my : dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl : Scout leader for 6 years. : headin : SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint : little ring to it…LOL! : : all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its : just plain NUTS’O : : I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… : : Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 : minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life : saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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> >all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its >just plain NUTS’O > Just another day in "Taterland" then huh? lol > you are doing great Nancy! > steveb

is better, minus the dentist thank goodness.  TOday i get to train an employee on how our system backups work……Backups are always so fun, especially when dealing wtih ArcServe 2000……and then Backup Exec.  So Fun will be had by all today.  :-) I better go so i can get all my training crap ready.  This is only the 5th person i have taught how to manage backups….. I make sure they are trained good because i take the heat if they Fuck it up. LOL! Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, three days, 2 hours, 41 minutes and 38 seconds. 303 cigarettes not smoked, saving $75.84. Life saved: 1 day, 1 hour, 15 minutes.

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Great Rant Taterbug! A solid 9! Good luck at the dentist today. Julie B.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch > mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most > of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. > 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told > my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, > the fall out is yet to come. > Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i > Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my > dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl > Scout leader for 6 years. > SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint > little ring to it…LOL! > all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its > just plain NUTS’O > I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… > Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 > minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life > saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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>all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its >just plain NUTS’O

Just another day in "Taterland" then huh? lol you are doing great Nancy! steveb

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transitioning to a new network so we have 2,  the question was for a NMCI computer that i DON’T deal with.  If it was a Legacy PC then i would. This person just couldn’t grasp the fact that he was calling the WRONG FUKEN number.   Soon we wont be much of a help desk anyways,  I can go back to my Web Development and all my other work. Hey Fuck and Shit are my favorite words so i guess i would fit right in with Later, Taterbug has Chosen not to smoke for (still CT)One week, two days, 12 hours, 43 minutes and 5 seconds. 285 cigarettes not smoked, saving $71.47. Life saved: 23 hours, 45 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe you’re just not cut out for customer service/help desk Taterbug. You > sound like you’d be better suited for the trucking business. Lot’s of > aggravation but we curse like sailors on shore leave. The cursing is more or > less expected. I must say *fuck* 25 times a day to people. After a while > *fuck* starts to take the meaning of *yo dude, how’s it going*. > Dion > Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch > mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most > of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. > 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told > my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, > the fall out is yet to come. > Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i > Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my > dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl > Scout leader for 6 years. > SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint > little ring to it…LOL! > all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its > just plain NUTS’O > I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… > Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 > minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life > saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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> Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch > mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most > of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. > 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told > my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, > the fall out is yet to come.

Well…you keep your head down. Hopefully the guy who called will get the rocket up the ass that he deserves…don’t you let it upset you. > SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint > little ring to it…LOL!

Yep! I figure if you can make it through all this stress and pain and shitty stuff like dentists…then you can make it through anything. You’re doing it! Keep it going… > Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 > minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life > saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

This is AWESOME! Fuckity fuck indeed! Paula

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Maybe you’re just not cut out for customer service/help desk Taterbug. You sound like you’d be better suited for the trucking business. Lot’s of aggravation but we curse like sailors on shore leave. The cursing is more or less expected. I must say *fuck* 25 times a day to people. After a while *fuck* starts to take the meaning of *yo dude, how’s it going*. Dion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch > mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most > of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. > 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told > my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, > the fall out is yet to come. > Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i > Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my > dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl > Scout leader for 6 years. > SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint > little ring to it…LOL! > all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its > just plain NUTS’O > I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… > Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 > minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life > saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, the fall out is yet to come. Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl Scout leader for 6 years. SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint little ring to it…LOL! all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its just plain NUTS’O I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, the fall out is yet to come. Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl Scout leader for 6 years. SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint little ring to it…LOL! all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its just plain NUTS’O I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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> Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch > mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most > of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. > 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told > my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, > the fall out is yet to come.

Well…you keep your head down. Hopefully the guy who called will get the rocket up the ass that he deserves…don’t you let it upset you. > SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint > little ring to it…LOL!

Yep! I figure if you can make it through all this stress and pain and shitty stuff like dentists…then you can make it through anything. You’re doing it! Keep it going… > Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 > minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life > saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

This is AWESOME! Fuckity fuck indeed! Paula

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Maybe you’re just not cut out for customer service/help desk Taterbug. You sound like you’d be better suited for the trucking business. Lot’s of aggravation but we curse like sailors on shore leave. The cursing is more or less expected. I must say *fuck* 25 times a day to people. After a while *fuck* starts to take the meaning of *yo dude, how’s it going*. Dion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch > mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most > of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. > 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told > my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, > the fall out is yet to come. > Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i > Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my > dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl > Scout leader for 6 years. > SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint > little ring to it…LOL! > all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its > just plain NUTS’O > I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… > Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 > minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life > saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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Great Rant Taterbug! A solid 9! Good luck at the dentist today. Julie B.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch > mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most > of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. > 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told > my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, > the fall out is yet to come. > Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i > Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my > dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl > Scout leader for 6 years. > SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint > little ring to it…LOL! > all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its > just plain NUTS’O > I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… > Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 > minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life > saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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>all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its >just plain NUTS’O

Just another day in "Taterland" then huh? lol you are doing great Nancy! steveb

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transitioning to a new network so we have 2,  the question was for a NMCI computer that i DON’T deal with.  If it was a Legacy PC then i would. This person just couldn’t grasp the fact that he was calling the WRONG FUKEN number.   Soon we wont be much of a help desk anyways,  I can go back to my Web Development and all my other work. Hey Fuck and Shit are my favorite words so i guess i would fit right in with Later, Taterbug has Chosen not to smoke for (still CT)One week, two days, 12 hours, 43 minutes and 5 seconds. 285 cigarettes not smoked, saving $71.47. Life saved: 23 hours, 45 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe you’re just not cut out for customer service/help desk Taterbug. You > sound like you’d be better suited for the trucking business. Lot’s of > aggravation but we curse like sailors on shore leave. The cursing is more or > less expected. I must say *fuck* 25 times a day to people. After a while > *fuck* starts to take the meaning of *yo dude, how’s it going*. > Dion > Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch > mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most > of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. > 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told > my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, > the fall out is yet to come. > Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i > Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my > dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl > Scout leader for 6 years. > SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint > little ring to it…LOL! > all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its > just plain NUTS’O > I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… > Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 > minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life > saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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9.8 Good job! With hope and heart, Kathleen — Hate the sin and not the sinner is a precept which though easy enough to understand is rarely practiced, and that is why the poison of hatred spreads in the world. – Mahatma Gandhi : Okay, i have been pretty calm this quit…..Today i’m in Ultra Bitch : mode…the Fucken phone has been ringing off the Damn wall…….Most : of which questions customers are calling the WRONG FUCKING help desk. : 1 Irrate customer just pushed my buttons a little to far…….I told : my Boss and hes going to go talk to the ASSHOLES boss and……Well, : the fall out is yet to come. : : Now I’m actually looking forward to going to the dentist, becasue i : Fuck a bunch of Bridge work……DOnt need it. I really like my : dentist hell i’ve know him since i was 6yrs old, his wife was my Girl : Scout leader for 6 years. : headin : SHIT…….Fuckity Fuck…I just had to say that, its got a quaint : little ring to it…LOL! : : all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its : just plain NUTS’O : : I hope all ya’ll are doing okay…… : : Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, two days, 8 hours, 3 : minutes and 10 seconds. 280 cigarettes not smoked, saving $70.02. Life : saved: 23 hours, 20 minutes.

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> >all SHIT.   Everyone is about to loose their minds around here, its >just plain NUTS’O > Just another day in "Taterland" then huh? lol > you are doing great Nancy! > steveb

is better, minus the dentist thank goodness.  TOday i get to train an employee on how our system backups work……Backups are always so fun, especially when dealing wtih ArcServe 2000……and then Backup Exec.  So Fun will be had by all today.  :-) I better go so i can get all my training crap ready.  This is only the 5th person i have taught how to manage backups….. I make sure they are trained good because i take the heat if they Fuck it up. LOL! Taterbug has chosen not to smoke for One week, three days, 2 hours, 41 minutes and 38 seconds. 303 cigarettes not smoked, saving $75.84. Life saved: 1 day, 1 hour, 15 minutes.

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Oh, look, ‘death cult’ Palestinians have attacked a US diplomatic convoy. Let’s join Israel in attacking their ‘bases’ [i.e. refugee camps] in Syria and Lebanon, where they probably trained. We can raze their homes in collective punishments in violation of the Geneva convention too, while we’re at it… Look, here’s some folks that we hooded and cuffed in Iraq, and some naked men that we’re parading around to show our control, but if anyone dares to show pictures of captured US soldiers…. Yeah right… an anonymous phone call claiming to be from a little known Palestinian umbrella group takes responsibility for an act that both Hamas and Islamic Jihad see as against their interests, and you’re gonna fall for that? Nah, you’re not that stoopid, are you? Are you? But while we’re here, let’s have a brief refresher on state-sponsored terrorism: For example: "In 1993, the United Nations truth commission on El Salvador named the army officers who had committed the worst atrocities of the civil war. Two-thirds of them had been trained at the School of the Americas [at Fort Benning, GA]. Among them were Roberto D’Aubuisson, the leader of El Salvador’s death squads; the men who killed Archbishop Oscar Romero; and 19 of the 26 soldiers who murdered the Jesuit priests in 1989. In Chile, the school’s graduates ran both Augusto Pinochet’s secret police and his three principal concentration camps. One of them helped to murder Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffit in Washington DC in 1976. Argentina’s dictators Roberto Viola and Leopoldo Galtieri, Panama’s Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos, Peru’s Juan Velasco Alvarado and Ecuador’s Guillermo Rodriguez all benefited from the school’s instruction. So did the leader of the Grupo Colina death squad in Fujimori’s Peru; four of the five officers who ran the infamous Battalion 3-16 in Honduras (which controlled the death squads there in the 1980s) and the commander responsible for the 1994 Ocosingo massacre in Mexico. All this, the school’s defenders insist, is ancient history. But SOA graduates are also involved in the dirty war now being waged, with US support, in Colombia." As President Chimp said: "If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents, they have become outlaws and murderers themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril." Well, c’mon George, when are you going to war against Georgia, USA? Nah, you’re full of crap, George. A hypocrite and a liar. And those that swallow and regurgitate your crap are as complicit as the butchers and bakers and human wax candlemakers that lined up behind the Third Reich to ensure that their own domestic interests were advanced in a Greater Germany…. May future generations regard supporters of both regimes with the shame they deserve. (quotes taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,583254,00.html) JC

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> Oh, look, ‘death cult’ Palestinians have attacked a US diplomatic > convoy. Let’s join Israel in attacking their ‘bases’ [i.e. refugee > camps] in Syria and Lebanon, where they probably trained. We can raze > their homes in collective punishments in violation of the Geneva > convention too, while we’re at it…

Seems simple enough. Fuck with us and die. I don’t know of a better way to make it clear. Look, here’s some folks that we > hooded and cuffed in Iraq, and some naked men that we’re parading > around to show our control, but if anyone dares to show pictures of > captured US soldiers….

Fair enough. There’s been a lot of hypocrisy on this issue. > Yeah right… an anonymous phone call claiming to be from a little > known Palestinian umbrella group takes responsibility for an act that > both Hamas and Islamic Jihad see as against their interests, and > you’re gonna fall for that?

Hamas and Jihad DON’T act in the ‘interest’ of Palestinians. They act solely in their own criminal, for profit, interest. Calling them nationalists is like calling my dog a Rhodes scholar.  Nah, you’re not that stoopid, are you? Are > you?

Since when have ANY of the Palestinian armed groups acted in the interest of the great majority of unarmed, suffering Palestinians? They’re no better than the IRA. > But while we’re here, let’s have a brief refresher on state-sponsored > terrorism:

Carville, you fucking commie bastard, parts of this actually mase sense. I fear for our children. Chuck

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John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks in Norway. Lord Valve American

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You’re supposed to take your meds EVERY DAY, at the SAME TIME every day.  Norway? It sounds like paranoia and hate is splitting your brain apart. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > in Norway. > Lord Valve > American

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> > Oh, look, ‘death cult’ Palestinians have attacked a US diplomatic > convoy. Let’s join Israel in attacking their ‘bases’ [i.e. refugee > camps] in Syria and Lebanon, where they probably trained. We can raze > their homes in collective punishments in violation of the Geneva > convention too, while we’re at it… > Seems simple enough. Fuck with us and die. I don’t know of a better > way to make it clear.

Makes sense if you subscribe to the "might makes right" mentality.  Of course, you live by the sword, you die by the sword.  It goes both ways, unless you believe might erases hypocrisy.  If your victims, or the victims of those you support decide they can’t overpower you, they may just blow up one of your malls, or attack your barracks with suicide bombers. > Look, here’s some folks that we > hooded and cuffed in Iraq, and some naked men that we’re parading > around to show our control, but if anyone dares to show pictures of > captured US soldiers…. > Fair enough. There’s been a lot of hypocrisy on this issue. > Yeah right… an anonymous phone call claiming to be from a little > known Palestinian umbrella group takes responsibility for an act that > both Hamas and Islamic Jihad see as against their interests, and > you’re gonna fall for that? > Hamas and Jihad DON’T act in the ‘interest’ of Palestinians. They act > solely in their own criminal, for profit, interest. Calling them > nationalists is like calling my dog a Rhodes scholar.

IIRC, Hamas began as an effort to get Israel out of Lebanon after Israel had invaded, so in its infancy, it acted in the "interests" of the occupied.  The Palestinian situation may be different, however. I may be wrong, but Hamas targeted Israeli soldiers for a long time, not civilians, I think.  Are they behind civilian deaths now?  I don’t know. >  Nah, you’re not that stoopid, are you? Are > you? > Since when have ANY of the Palestinian armed groups acted in the > interest of the great majority of unarmed, suffering Palestinians? > They’re no better than the IRA. > But while we’re here, let’s have a brief refresher on state-sponsored > terrorism: > Carville, you fucking commie bastard, parts of this actually mase > sense. I fear for our children. > Chuck

The whole situation with the Palestinians and Israel is very distressing, and very complicated – so complicated that I honestly don’t have any clue how it can be resolved.  Destroying the homes of and killing innocent Palestinians is horrible, and I understand why they’re pissed – the settlements and the wall are just totally wrong. However, Israel has to defend itself, and certainly its civilians.  I also don’t believe that if Israel just pulled out, the Arabs would leave it alone.  I’m not convinced that they’re not out to destroy Israel, or chase Israelis from the region.  On the other hand, there are racist Zionist Israelis. As for the American state-sponsored terrorism, that bothers me more, obviously, being an American.  There is a shitload of blood on our hands as a country, and it’s truly depressing.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh, look, ‘death cult’ Palestinians have attacked a US diplomatic > convoy. Let’s join Israel in attacking their ‘bases’ [i.e. refugee > camps] in Syria and Lebanon, where they probably trained. We can raze > their homes in collective punishments in violation of the Geneva > convention too, while we’re at it… Look, here’s some folks that we > hooded and cuffed in Iraq, and some naked men that we’re parading > around to show our control, but if anyone dares to show pictures of > captured US soldiers…. > Yeah right… an anonymous phone call claiming to be from a little > known Palestinian umbrella group takes responsibility for an act that > both Hamas and Islamic Jihad see as against their interests, and > you’re gonna fall for that? Nah, you’re not that stoopid, are you? Are > you? > But while we’re here, let’s have a brief refresher on state-sponsored > terrorism: > For example: > "In 1993, the United Nations truth commission on El Salvador named the > army officers who had committed the worst atrocities of the civil war. > Two-thirds of them had been trained at the School of the Americas [at > Fort Benning, GA]. Among them were Roberto D’Aubuisson, the leader of > El Salvador’s death squads; the men who killed Archbishop Oscar > Romero; and 19 of the 26 soldiers who murdered the Jesuit priests in > 1989. In Chile, the school’s graduates ran both Augusto Pinochet’s > secret police and his three principal concentration camps. One of them > helped to murder Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffit in Washington DC in > 1976. > Argentina’s dictators Roberto Viola and Leopoldo Galtieri, Panama’s > Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos, Peru’s Juan Velasco Alvarado and > Ecuador’s Guillermo Rodriguez all benefited from the school’s > instruction. So did the leader of the Grupo Colina death squad in > Fujimori’s Peru; four of the five officers who ran the infamous > Battalion 3-16 in Honduras (which controlled the death squads there in > the 1980s) and the commander responsible for the 1994 Ocosingo > massacre in Mexico. > All this, the school’s defenders insist, is ancient history. But SOA > graduates are also involved in the dirty war now being waged, with US > support, in Colombia." > As President Chimp said: "If any government sponsors the outlaws and > killers of innocents, they have become outlaws and murderers > themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril." > Well, c’mon George, when are you going to war against Georgia, USA? > Nah, you’re full of crap, George. A hypocrite and a liar. And those > that swallow and regurgitate your crap are as complicit as the > butchers and bakers and human wax candlemakers that lined up behind > the Third Reich to ensure that their own domestic interests were > advanced in a Greater Germany…. May future generations regard > supporters of both regimes with the shame they deserve. > (quotes taken from

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,583254,00.html) > JC

Oh that simply cannot be true Lord John, not unless I can twist and spin it out of existence. LF American Disinfo Spreader Visit my website: http://gwbush.com/

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> John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > in Norway. > Lord Valve > American

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Noob.  ;-) LV – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You’re supposed to take your meds EVERY DAY, at the SAME TIME every > day.  Norway? It sounds like paranoia and hate is splitting your brain > apart. > John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > in Norway. > Lord Valve > American

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Detritus spewed the usual… But we note with interest that he has no response to comments about US involvement in training and organizing cadre after cadre of assassins, torturers, death squad leaders and tyrants at Fort Benning, GA. Well, we didn’t expect any better from him. What’s the real issue down in Colombia anyway these days? Could it be that the FARC have been regularly targeting the oil pipeline running through the country? Nah, of course not. We know the FARC are *evil commies* out to enslave the country. It’s just a coincidence that at least 80% of murders in the country are carried out  by the paramilitaries that are known to be linked to the military. Wouldn’t surprise me if Witless Willy would like to see similary practices carried out in the USA – killing of trade union leaders etc. How’s the candle factory going, Witless? JC

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When you’re speechless, have some pride and just don’t reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Noob.  ;-) > LV > You’re supposed to take your meds EVERY DAY, at the SAME TIME every > day.  Norway? It sounds like paranoia and hate is splitting your brain > apart. > > John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > > in Norway. > > Lord Valve > > American

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Doesn’t have anything at all to do with "pride," although I can see how a commie like you (or Carville) would spin it that way.  The point is, you haven’t been here that long, and you don’t know why I wrote what I wrote.  But that’s OK…commies have been clueless since day One, and you’re certainly no exception…noob. Lord Valve American – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > When you’re speechless, have some pride and just don’t reply. > Noob.  ;-) > LV > > You’re supposed to take your meds EVERY DAY, at the SAME TIME every > > day.  Norway? It sounds like paranoia and hate is splitting your brain > > apart. > > > John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > > > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > > > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > > > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > > > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > > > in Norway. > > > Lord Valve > > > American

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Only extremely ignorant and simple-minded people use one term ("commie") to refer to a disparate group of individuals.  As for the rest of your meaningless bullshit, I’ll consider the source.  By the way, everything with you has everything to do with pride.  No one else in this group posts so many lame and desperate tributes to his own ego. You obviously spend a lot time trying to convince yourself that you’re important, which is pathetic. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Doesn’t have anything at all to do with "pride," although I > can see how a commie like you (or Carville) would spin it that > way.  The point is, you haven’t been here that long, and you > don’t know why I wrote what I wrote.  But that’s OK…commies > have been clueless since day One, and you’re certainly no > exception…noob. > Lord Valve > American > When you’re speechless, have some pride and just don’t reply. > > Noob.  ;-) > > LV > > > You’re supposed to take your meds EVERY DAY, at the SAME TIME every > > > day.  Norway? It sounds like paranoia and hate is splitting your brain > > > apart. > > > > John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > > > > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > > > > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > > > > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > > > > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > > > > in Norway. > > > > Lord Valve > > > > American

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<sigh>  It gets easier every day… Lord Valve Expert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Only extremely ignorant and simple-minded people use one term > ("commie") to refer to a disparate group of individuals.  As for the > rest of your meaningless bullshit, I’ll consider the source.  By the > way, everything with you has everything to do with pride.  No one else > in this group posts so many lame and desperate tributes to his own > ego. You obviously spend a lot time trying to convince yourself that > you’re important, which is pathetic. > Doesn’t have anything at all to do with "pride," although I > can see how a commie like you (or Carville) would spin it that > way.  The point is, you haven’t been here that long, and you > don’t know why I wrote what I wrote.  But that’s OK…commies > have been clueless since day One, and you’re certainly no > exception…noob. > Lord Valve > American > > When you’re speechless, have some pride and just don’t reply. > > > Noob.  ;-) > > > LV > > > > You’re supposed to take your meds EVERY DAY, at the SAME TIME every > > > > day.  Norway? It sounds like paranoia and hate is splitting your brain > > > > apart. > > > > > John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > > > > > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > > > > > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > > > > > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > > > > > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > > > > > in Norway. > > > > > Lord Valve > > > > > American

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Ass Spurting? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <sigh>  It gets greasier every day… > Fart Valve > Ass spurt > Only extremely ignorant and simple-minded people use one term > ("commie") to refer to a disparate group of individuals.  As for the > rest of your meaningless bullshit, I’ll consider the source.  By the > way, everything with you has everything to do with pride.  No one else > in this group posts so many lame and desperate tributes to his own > ego. You obviously spend a lot time trying to convince yourself that > you’re important, which is pathetic. > > Doesn’t have anything at all to do with "pride," although I > > can see how a commie like you (or Carville) would spin it that > > way.  The point is, you haven’t been here that long, and you > > don’t know why I wrote what I wrote.  But that’s OK…commies > > have been clueless since day One, and you’re certainly no > > exception…noob. > > Lord Valve > > American > > > When you’re speechless, have some pride and just don’t reply. > > > > Noob.  ;-) > > > > LV > > > > > You’re supposed to take your meds EVERY DAY, at the SAME TIME every > > > > > day.  Norway? It sounds like paranoia and hate is splitting your brain > > > > > apart. > > > > > > John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > > > > > > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > > > > > > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > > > > > > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > > > > > > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > > > > > > in Norway. > > > > > > Lord Valve > > > > > > American

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If you’re referring to your capacity for making equivocal poser macho statements which prove your superiority only to you and your retarded groupies, and certainly do nothing to disprove the fact that you got slapped, bitch, then you’re right on.  Like I said (I think for the third time now), if you don’t have anything to say, then for your own self-respect, don’t reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <sigh>  It gets easier every day… > Lord Valve > Expert > Only extremely ignorant and simple-minded people use one term > ("commie") to refer to a disparate group of individuals.  As for the > rest of your meaningless bullshit, I’ll consider the source.  By the > way, everything with you has everything to do with pride.  No one else > in this group posts so many lame and desperate tributes to his own > ego. You obviously spend a lot time trying to convince yourself that > you’re important, which is pathetic. > > Doesn’t have anything at all to do with "pride," although I > > can see how a commie like you (or Carville) would spin it that > > way.  The point is, you haven’t been here that long, and you > > don’t know why I wrote what I wrote.  But that’s OK…commies > > have been clueless since day One, and you’re certainly no > > exception…noob. > > Lord Valve > > American > > > When you’re speechless, have some pride and just don’t reply. > > > > Noob.  ;-) > > > > LV > > > > > You’re supposed to take your meds EVERY DAY, at the SAME TIME every > > > > > day.  Norway? It sounds like paranoia and hate is splitting your brain > > > > > apart. > > > > > > John Carville (paid PRIO propagandist) sprayed: > > > > > > (agitprop cadged from Guardian flushed) > > > > > > Hey, I hope they blow the *fuck* out of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > > > > > > Yasser Arafat, and ALL those slimy anti-American shitbirds. > > > > > > Just get it over with, so we can start on the commie fucks > > > > > > in Norway. > > > > > > Lord Valve > > > > > > American

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> If you’re referring to your capacity for making equivocal poser macho > statements which prove your superiority only to you and your retarded > groupies, and certainly do nothing to disprove the fact that you got > slapped, bitch, then you’re right on.  Like I said (I think for the > third time now), if you don’t have anything to say, then for your own > self-respect, don’t reply.

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