Exercise R Us

Question:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Tomgirl > Dan H > HEY! I’M NEW HERE!CAN SOME PEOPLE HELP ME! OR INTRODUCE ME?? THANKS SOO > MUCH! > — > The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world, > the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or > treacherous, is his dog. . . . When all other friends desert, he remains.

Hello PEOPLE, The rumormongers are all abuzz about the "sweeping claims" of the Wits’ End Dog Training Method, INSTIGATED by our own revered doc dermer, associate professor of behavior at Wisconsin University…, formerly Master Of Deception and leader of our Gang Of Thugs… He lost hit title when he crossed the line between philosophical differences to intentional blatant untruths to support his malicious innuendo about the Wits’ End Dog Training Method. What "sweeping claims?" All of my claims are bonafide truth. There is absolutely no question about that… Or, if by "sweeping claims" you mean that the INFORMATION I have made available for FREE cannot do what I say it does, then discredit my INFORMATION, and croak me with it. It can’t be done… That has been proven right here by the long list of contributors to the "hang Jerry out to dry once and for all threads." Believe me, if these morons, as upset as they OBVIOUSLY are, cannot come up with even ONE ACCEPTABLE CONDEMNATION OF MY WORK, then I’d say, that the INFORMATION has indeed, been VERIFIED. WOULDN’T YOU AGREE? If not, just ask THEM what were the most blatant and critical errors in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual?  You won’t get any REAL complaints. I’ve been DARING these bums to choke me with it since day one, and all I get is some drivel like I told lyingdogdirty that he is a psychopathic sadist, and a vile, And a sweet heart like you is offended by ME? No, I am not an rpdb regular. I am not in sync with the group. I have a totally different approach to dogs and their behavior. I didn’t come in here to share information with these ungrateful, irresponsible "dog trainers," I came in here to set them straight. I’ve been around this group all of my life, and I am used to being criticized and argued with by these force and control freaks. They have been destroying good dogs for the last thirty six years of my career, and I’ve been fighting with them one on one all my life. Now, the tables are turned, and I’ve got the whole damn bunch of them together. Makes my job a lot easier.. > you’re not really here to help owners save their dogs from > death, but because you actually enjoy the flaming too much > to give it up in favor of trying approaches that would gain > you and your methods many more converts.

Help? I’m here because there is no help here on rpdb. Not with morons like dirty dan h and lyingdogdirty and frantik fraud die hanging around and shocking and choking dogs… Or cindy moore and frosty dahl with their twisting and pinching ears and toes, shocking, and BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS to motivate them… Ever heard a dog scream from an ear correction? Wanna learn Howe to do it correctly? I can tell you all about it, but our illustrious "experts" leave out the best parts… Did you read lyingfrostydahly’s links all the way to the end? The stick fetch??? Disgusting enough to make ANY normal person vomit. The new people to dog training are not familiar with these issues. I am making it known. It is not easy. YOU SEE the irrational, irresponsible, deceptive, and categorically wrong defenses these people have to my charges of DOG ABUSE. My charges are true, I’d be sued by now if they weren’t. I’m on the Christmas party list at the abuse department of three isp’s, because we’ve talked so many times about the same complaints from the same bums. They understand what’s up, and so does everybody else, that is, everybody besides you! Converts? I don’t have "converts," I have students. My students learn what they need in a couple of days, and I never hear from them again, unless something really big or really good comes up. I get the occasional hello’s, but generally people know that I’m swamped, and try not to disturb me with chit chat… If you hadn’t noticed, I’m not exactly what you’d call a social butterfly… My personal friends rarely hear from me, because I’m too busy giving excellent advice here or defending myself from wayward charges from folks like yourself, that I would prefer not to just blow off like the rpdb regulars, until they show me the cut of their jibe. Our rpdb regulars just disregard people like dan h telling the retired school teacher to jerk her three year old arthritic cocker spaniel with broken ribs, to "jerk his ass off the ground" on a pronged choke collar and give him some serious punishment. That kind of information gets people hurt and gets dogs killed. dirtydan h says: > Now jerryboy tell the truth, that lady did not include the dogs > medical conditions in here prior post, so why are you lying > again by saying that I gave that advice

dirty dan h, it does not matter, if the dog is fit for abuse, or if the dog is not fit for abuse. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. The dog’s condition has no bearing on his ability to train. So many times vets will tell people to cancel my training lessons because their dog has had surgery or some condition. That costs me time. Time is money. It’s the only asset that I cannot get more of. My time is worth more than gold, and here’s a vet telling my student that they shouldn’t train because the dog is recuperating. Well, that’s because people like our "experts" here cannot work with a dog recovering from surgery. MY work does not push physical limits. I don’t jerk and choke and hang and shock dogs to "train" them. If the dog is fit to go out for a short walk, then he’s fit enough to go through the Wits’ End Dog Training Method. > (to a person that has let her dog act in aggressive >behavior for 3YEARS and now wants to put the dog to sleep) > Knowing the medical condition of the dog.

That whole argument of dirty dan h, symbolizes everything wrong with the rpdb mentality… There is NONE. The whole bunch of them have that cross-eyed open mouthed look with the tongue hanging out, like a Bar-B-Q goat that’s been whacked out with the blunt edge of an axe between his running lights… > I didn’t respond to that because in the absence of any > significant dog training experience, I would not know what to > recommend. I don’t see the point of sending messages to say > I disapprove of that approach, when I have no specific > recommendations to propose in its place.

Why not? Do you NOT have the intellectual capability of discerning Right from Wrong? Or is that a mystery to you? You don’t have to have a solution to know there is something rotten when you smell stink… That advice of dirty dan h stank out loud. And NOBODY says "Hello Dan H., Thank you for your response to the poster. Don’t you think that the principles of the behavioral approach could be modified just a bit, to make your savvy suggestions a little more appropriate for dogs expected to live in human society??? Thank you for reconsidering your options, Dan. Have a nice day, and I’ll look forward to hearing from you real soon with a more palatable option. Your friend, Stephie." THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. Or, ANY variation of that might also be appropriate… But no, you pull MY chain instead! What’s wrong with your thinking??? You have no problem usurping my time? I spent something like nine hours working on that long post of yours the other night. I work sometimes thirty six hours without more than an hour break at dinner time when my wife throws some chow my way… And, as far as advice is concerned, I’ve got lots of advice. And if you took a couple of hours and studied the INFORMATION I have made available to the good people here, YOU TOO would have some decent advice for many serious behavior problems… >Point #4 >Standing stock still is what works best, even when faced with a >trained police dog. MOST dogs will not attack a still target, and if >they do, it usually isn’t a full attack. They won’t continue if you >don’t move or react.

Seems like you’ve left this next paragraph in, for me to answer? Otherwise, it would only serve to make dirty dan h sound like he had a point to make… He doesn’t, but I’ll go over it for you… >It is very clear you have not been around a real dog trained for real >life, and why don’t you tell everybody how you stay still while you are >being attacked for real.

SIMPLE. Dogs do not continue an attack on a stationary target… It’s like jumping or mouthing or any other annoying behavior. If you do not acknowledge it, the reward is not there for the dog, and he will choose something more rewarding. I’d be happy to prove it to you one day in person, dannyboy… > Oh and I would like to see you do the sound and praise on a well > trained guard dog, not one you have supposedly trained,

You’d have to look hard to find a dog that meets those criteria… But, I’ve done just that, but not in a "demonstration," just in my real work.  I’d question the caliber of the trainer would ever do anything antithetical to the objectives of the training problem… That’s what I’ll never figure out about punks like you and lyingdogdirty and frantik fraud die… You pigs will consider doing anteing to a dog, to prove your petty points… I on the other hand, would not do something as a demonstration of my abilities without first considering the best interests of the dogs I’m working with and their training needs… For example, a while back frantik fraud die wanted to set up my machine and test it at the local shelter. He immediately wants to turn the machine on, and then parade Maddy up and down causing the dogs additional stress, just to prove his … read more »

Response:

 Jerryboy lays out the SPAM again Dan H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Tomgirl > Dan H > > HEY! I’M NEW HERE!CAN SOME PEOPLE HELP ME! OR INTRODUCE ME?? > THANKS SOO > > MUCH! > > — > > The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this > selfish world, > > the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves > ungrateful or > > treacherous, is his dog. . . . When all other friends desert, he > remains. > Hello PEOPLE, > The rumormongers are all abuzz about the "sweeping claims" of the > Wits’ End Dog Training Method, INSTIGATED by our own revered > doc dermer, associate professor of behavior at Wisconsin > University…, formerly Master Of Deception and leader of our Gang > Of Thugs… He lost hit title when he crossed the line between > philosophical > differences to intentional blatant untruths to support his malicious > innuendo > about the Wits’ End Dog Training Method. > What "sweeping claims?" All of my claims are bonafide truth. There is > absolutely no question about that… Or, if by "sweeping claims" you > mean that the INFORMATION I have made available > for FREE cannot do what I say it does, then discredit my > INFORMATION, and croak me with it. It can’t be done… > That has been proven right here by the long list of contributors > to the "hang Jerry out to dry once and for all threads." Believe > me, if these morons, as upset as they OBVIOUSLY are, > cannot come up with even ONE ACCEPTABLE > CONDEMNATION OF MY WORK, then I’d say, that the > INFORMATION has indeed, been VERIFIED. > WOULDN’T YOU AGREE? > If not, just ask THEM what were the most blatant and critical > errors in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual?  You won’t > get any REAL complaints. I’ve been DARING these bums to > choke me with it since day one, and all I get is some drivel like I > told lyingdogdirty that he is a psychopathic sadist, and a vile, > And a sweet heart like you is offended by ME? > No, I am not an rpdb regular. I am not in sync with the group. I > have a totally different approach to dogs and their behavior. I > didn’t come in here to share information with these ungrateful, > irresponsible "dog trainers," I came in here to set them straight. > I’ve been around this group all of my life, and I am used to being > criticized and argued with by these force and control freaks. They > have been destroying good dogs for the last thirty six years of my > career, and I’ve been fighting with them one on one all my life. > Now, the tables are turned, and I’ve got the whole damn bunch of them > together. Makes my job a lot easier.. >> you’re not really here to help owners save their dogs from >> death, but because you actually enjoy the flaming too much >> to give it up in favor of trying approaches that would gain >> you and your methods many more converts. > Help? I’m here because there is no help here on rpdb. Not with morons > like dirty dan h and lyingdogdirty and frantik fraud die hanging > around and shocking and choking dogs… Or cindy > moore and frosty dahl with their twisting and pinching ears and > toes, shocking, and BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS to motivate them… > Ever heard a dog scream from an ear correction? Wanna learn > Howe to do it correctly? I can tell you all about it, but our > illustrious "experts" leave out the best parts… Did you read > lyingfrostydahly’s links all the way to the end? The stick fetch??? > Disgusting enough to make ANY normal person > vomit. > The new people to dog training are not familiar with these issues. I > am making it known. It is not easy. YOU SEE the > irrational, irresponsible, deceptive, and categorically wrong > defenses these people have to my charges of DOG ABUSE. > My charges are true, I’d be sued by now if they weren’t. I’m on > the Christmas party list at the abuse department of three isp’s, > because we’ve talked so many times about the same complaints > from the same bums. They understand what’s up, and so does everybody > else, that is, everybody besides you! > Converts? I don’t have "converts," I have students. My students > learn what they need in a couple of days, and I never hear from > them again, unless something really big or really good comes > up. I get the occasional hello’s, but generally people know that > I’m swamped, and try not to disturb me with chit chat… If you > hadn’t noticed, I’m not exactly what you’d call a social butterfly… > My personal friends rarely hear from me, because I’m too busy > giving excellent advice here or defending myself from wayward charges > from folks like yourself, that I would prefer not to just > blow off like the rpdb regulars, until they show me the cut of their > jibe. > Our rpdb regulars just disregard people like dan h telling the > retired school teacher to jerk her three year old arthritic cocker > spaniel with broken ribs, to "jerk his ass off the ground" on a > pronged choke collar and give him some serious punishment. > That kind of information gets people hurt and gets dogs killed. > dirtydan h says: > Now jerryboy tell the truth, that lady did not include the dogs > medical conditions in here prior post, so why are you lying > again by saying that I gave that advice > dirty dan h, it does not matter, if the dog is fit for abuse, or if > the dog is not fit for abuse. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. The dog’s > condition has no bearing on his ability to train. So many times > vets will tell people to cancel my training lessons because their > dog has had surgery or some condition. That costs me time. > Time is money. It’s the only asset that I cannot get more of. My > time is worth more than gold, and here’s a vet telling my student > that they shouldn’t train because the dog is recuperating. Well, > that’s because people like our "experts" here cannot work with a > dog recovering from surgery. MY work does not push physical limits. I > don’t jerk and choke and hang and shock dogs to "train" > them. If the dog is fit to go out for a short walk, then he’s fit > enough to go through the Wits’ End Dog Training Method. >> (to a person that has let her dog act in aggressive > >behavior for 3YEARS and now wants to put the dog to sleep) >> Knowing the medical condition of the dog. > That whole argument of dirty dan h, symbolizes everything > wrong with the rpdb mentality… There is NONE. The whole > bunch of them have that cross-eyed open mouthed look with the tongue > hanging out, like a Bar-B-Q goat that’s been whacked out > with the blunt edge of an axe between his running lights… > I didn’t respond to that because in the absence of any > significant dog training experience, I would not know what to > recommend. I don’t see the point of sending messages to say > I disapprove of that approach, when I have no specific > recommendations to propose in its place. > Why not? Do you NOT have the intellectual capability of discerning > Right from Wrong? Or is that a mystery to you? You > don’t have to have a solution to know there is something rotten > when you smell stink… > That advice of dirty dan h stank out loud. And NOBODY says "Hello Dan > H., Thank you for your response to the poster. Don’t you think that > the principles of the behavioral approach could be > modified just a bit, to make your savvy suggestions a little more > appropriate for dogs expected to live in human society??? > Thank you for reconsidering your options, Dan. Have a nice > day, and I’ll look forward to hearing from you real soon with a more > palatable option. Your friend, Stephie." > THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. Or, ANY variation of that > might also be appropriate… But no, you pull MY chain instead! > What’s wrong with your thinking??? > You have no problem usurping my time? I spent something like nine > hours working on that long post of yours the other night. I > work sometimes thirty six hours without more than an hour break > at dinner time when my wife throws some chow my way… > And, as far as advice is concerned, I’ve got lots of advice. And if > you took a couple of hours and studied the INFORMATION I have made > available to the good people here, YOU TOO would have some decent > advice for many serious behavior problems… > >Point #4 > >Standing stock still is what works best, even when faced with a > >trained police dog. MOST dogs will not attack a still target, and > if > >they do, it usually isn’t a full attack. They won’t continue if > you > >don’t move or react. > Seems like you’ve left this next paragraph in, for me to answer? > Otherwise, it would only serve to make dirty dan h sound like he had > a point to make… He doesn’t, but I’ll go over it for you… > >It is very clear you have not been around a real dog trained for > real > >life, and why don’t you tell everybody how you stay still while > you are > >being attacked for real. > SIMPLE. Dogs do not continue an attack on a stationary target… It’s > like jumping or mouthing or any other annoying behavior. If you do > not acknowledge it, the reward is not there for the dog, and he will > choose something more rewarding. I’d be happy to prove it to you one > day in person, dannyboy… >> Oh and I would like to see you do the sound and praise on a well >> trained guard dog, not one you have supposedly trained, > You’d have to look hard to find a dog that meets those criteria… > But, I’ve done just that, but not in a "demonstration," just in my > real work.  I’d question the caliber of the trainer would ever do > anything antithetical to the objectives of the training problem… > That’s what I’ll never figure out about punks like you and > lyingdogdirty and frantik fraud die… You pigs will consider doing > anteing to a dog, to

… read more »

Response:

Hello dirtydanh, YOU HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM… That’s A FACT… Our Gang Of Thugs, the rpdb regulars, HURTS DOGS TO TRAIN THEM… That’s A FACT… I’m not going to let you bums get away with that any longer… That’s A FACT…. FACE FACTS, dirtydanh… Bye! j;~}

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jerryboy lays out the SPAM again > Dan H > > Hi Tomgirl > > Dan H > > > HEY! I’M NEW HERE!CAN SOME PEOPLE HELP ME! OR INTRODUCE ME?? > THANKS SOO > > > MUCH! > > > — > > > The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this > selfish world, > > > the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves > ungrateful or > > > treacherous, is his dog. . . . When all other friends desert, he > remains. > Hello PEOPLE, > The rumormongers are all abuzz about the "sweeping claims" of the > Wits’ End Dog Training Method, INSTIGATED by our own revered > doc dermer, associate professor of behavior at Wisconsin > University…, formerly Master Of Deception and leader of our Gang > Of Thugs… He lost hit title when he crossed the line between > philosophical > differences to intentional blatant untruths to support his malicious > innuendo > about the Wits’ End Dog Training Method. > What "sweeping claims?" All of my claims are bonafide truth. There is > absolutely no question about that… Or, if by "sweeping claims" you > mean that the INFORMATION I have made available > for FREE cannot do what I say it does, then discredit my > INFORMATION, and croak me with it. It can’t be done… > That has been proven right here by the long list of contributors > to the "hang Jerry out to dry once and for all threads." Believe > me, if these morons, as upset as they OBVIOUSLY are, > cannot come up with even ONE ACCEPTABLE > CONDEMNATION OF MY WORK, then I’d say, that the > INFORMATION has indeed, been VERIFIED. > WOULDN’T YOU AGREE? > If not, just ask THEM what were the most blatant and critical > errors in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual?  You won’t > get any REAL complaints. I’ve been DARING these bums to > choke me with it since day one, and all I get is some drivel like I > told lyingdogdirty that he is a psychopathic sadist, and a vile, > And a sweet heart like you is offended by ME? > No, I am not an rpdb regular. I am not in sync with the group. I > have a totally different approach to dogs and their behavior. I > didn’t come in here to share information with these ungrateful, > irresponsible "dog trainers," I came in here to set them straight. > I’ve been around this group all of my life, and I am used to being > criticized and argued with by these force and control freaks. They > have been destroying good dogs for the last thirty six years of my > career, and I’ve been fighting with them one on one all my life. > Now, the tables are turned, and I’ve got the whole damn bunch of them > together. Makes my job a lot easier.. > >> you’re not really here to help owners save their dogs from > >> death, but because you actually enjoy the flaming too much > >> to give it up in favor of trying approaches that would gain > >> you and your methods many more converts. > Help? I’m here because there is no help here on rpdb. Not with morons > like dirty dan h and lyingdogdirty and frantik fraud die hanging > around and shocking and choking dogs… Or cindy > moore and frosty dahl with their twisting and pinching ears and > toes, shocking, and BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS to motivate them… > Ever heard a dog scream from an ear correction? Wanna learn > Howe to do it correctly? I can tell you all about it, but our > illustrious "experts" leave out the best parts… Did you read > lyingfrostydahly’s links all the way to the end? The stick fetch??? > Disgusting enough to make ANY normal person > vomit. > The new people to dog training are not familiar with these issues. I > am making it known. It is not easy. YOU SEE the > irrational, irresponsible, deceptive, and categorically wrong > defenses these people have to my charges of DOG ABUSE. > My charges are true, I’d be sued by now if they weren’t. I’m on > the Christmas party list at the abuse department of three isp’s, > because we’ve talked so many times about the same complaints > from the same bums. They understand what’s up, and so does everybody > else, that is, everybody besides you! > Converts? I don’t have "converts," I have students. My students > learn what they need in a couple of days, and I never hear from > them again, unless something really big or really good comes > up. I get the occasional hello’s, but generally people know that > I’m swamped, and try not to disturb me with chit chat… If you > hadn’t noticed, I’m not exactly what you’d call a social butterfly… > My personal friends rarely hear from me, because I’m too busy > giving excellent advice here or defending myself from wayward charges > from folks like yourself, that I would prefer not to just > blow off like the rpdb regulars, until they show me the cut of their > jibe. > Our rpdb regulars just disregard people like dan h telling the > retired school teacher to jerk her three year old arthritic cocker > spaniel with broken ribs, to "jerk his ass off the ground" on a > pronged choke collar and give him some serious punishment. > That kind of information gets people hurt and gets dogs killed. > dirtydan h says: > > Now jerryboy tell the truth, that lady did not include the dogs > > medical conditions in here prior post, so why are you lying > > again by saying that I gave that advice > dirty dan h, it does not matter, if the dog is fit for abuse, or if > the dog is not fit for abuse. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. The dog’s > condition has no bearing on his ability to train. So many times > vets will tell people to cancel my training lessons because their > dog has had surgery or some condition. That costs me time. > Time is money. It’s the only asset that I cannot get more of. My > time is worth more than gold, and here’s a vet telling my student > that they shouldn’t train because the dog is recuperating. Well, > that’s because people like our "experts" here cannot work with a > dog recovering from surgery. MY work does not push physical limits. I > don’t jerk and choke and hang and shock dogs to "train" > them. If the dog is fit to go out for a short walk, then he’s fit > enough to go through the Wits’ End Dog Training Method. > >> (to a person that has let her dog act in aggressive > > >behavior for 3YEARS and now wants to put the dog to sleep) > >> Knowing the medical condition of the dog. > That whole argument of dirty dan h, symbolizes everything > wrong with the rpdb mentality… There is NONE. The whole > bunch of them have that cross-eyed open mouthed look with the tongue > hanging out, like a Bar-B-Q goat that’s been whacked out > with the blunt edge of an axe between his running lights… > > I didn’t respond to that because in the absence of any > > significant dog training experience, I would not know what to > > recommend. I don’t see the point of sending messages to say > > I disapprove of that approach, when I have no specific > > recommendations to propose in its place. > Why not? Do you NOT have the intellectual capability of discerning > Right from Wrong? Or is that a mystery to you? You > don’t have to have a solution to know there is something rotten > when you smell stink… > That advice of dirty dan h stank out loud. And NOBODY says "Hello Dan > H., Thank you for your response to the poster. Don’t you think that > the principles of the behavioral approach could be > modified just a bit, to make your savvy suggestions a little more > appropriate for dogs expected to live in human society??? > Thank you for reconsidering your options, Dan. Have a nice > day, and I’ll look forward to hearing from you real soon with a more > palatable option. Your friend, Stephie." > THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. Or, ANY variation of that > might also be appropriate… But no, you pull MY chain instead! > What’s wrong with your thinking??? > You have no problem usurping my time? I spent something like nine > hours working on that long post of yours the other night. I > work sometimes thirty six hours without more than an hour break > at dinner time when my wife throws some chow my way… > And, as far as advice is concerned, I’ve got lots of advice. And if > you took a couple of hours and studied the INFORMATION I have made > available to the good people here, YOU TOO would have some decent > advice for many serious behavior problems… > > >Point #4 > > >Standing stock still is what works best, even when faced with a > > >trained police dog. MOST dogs will not attack a still target, and > if > > >they do, it usually isn’t a full attack. They won’t continue if > you > > >don’t move or react. > Seems like you’ve left this next paragraph in, for me to answer? > Otherwise, it would only serve to make dirty dan h sound like he had > a point to make… He doesn’t, but I’ll go over it for you… > > >It is very clear you have not been around a real dog trained for > real > > >life, and why don’t you tell everybody how you stay still while > you are > > >being attacked for real. > SIMPLE. Dogs do not continue an attack on a stationary target… It’s > like jumping or mouthing or any other annoying

… read more »

Response:

jer, So you want to talk about facts? OK Here are some FACTS about YOU! For the record you are a liar & an admitted dog abuser. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I abuse animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I have pals who abuse animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I defend abusing animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim you are "ONLY interested in behavior problems here" YOU ARE LYING when you claim to have "HUNDREDS" (you used to claim thousands) of satisfied customers. If what you said had ANY truth in it there would be many links to your website from that pool of customers. The fact is there are NONE, NADA. This can be easily be verified by everyone here & nothing you say can refute it. Where’s the LINKS jer?? Last but not least jer: YOU ARE LYING about Doggy Do Right. The Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT function as you claim. I refer to documentation that will demonstrate this fact: http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 BUYER BEWARE! EdW http://Petloss.com

<a pack of lies snipped>

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> jer, > So you want to talk about facts? OK Here are some FACTS about YOU! > For the record you are a liar & an admitted dog abuser. > YOU ARE LYING when you claim I abuse animals. > YOU ARE LYING when you claim I have pals who abuse animals. > YOU ARE LYING when you claim I defend abusing animals. > YOU ARE LYING when you claim you are "ONLY interested in behavior > problems here" > YOU ARE LYING when you claim to have "HUNDREDS" (you used to claim > thousands) of satisfied customers. > If what you said had ANY truth in it there would be many links to your > website from that pool of customers. > The fact is there are NONE, NADA. This can be easily be verified by > everyone here & nothing you say can refute it. > Where’s the LINKS jer?? > Last but not least jer: > YOU ARE LYING about Doggy Do Right. > The Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT function as you claim. > I refer to documentation that will demonstrate this fact: > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 > BUYER BEWARE! > EdW

Hello silvertonguEd, You didn’t answer the question, ed. What do YOU think of HURTING dogs to train them? You are defending YOUR PALS who pinch and twist ears and toes and shock and choke and hit and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS, and HANG dogs to REHABILITATE them, and THEY CALL IT TRAINING.

> Until then, KEEP your silver tongue to swindle grieving > people out of money on your worthless pet memorials site. > YOU’RE FULL OF CRAP.

You snipped what EARNED you the silver tongue title:

lying piece of smegma!" Nice talk. And your pals bitch about MY language. > More slander & lies from jerry howe. I am not surprised.

You are ALL calling ME a liar. Seems to me, you All have the same motive… KILL THE MESSENGER. COVERUP THE TRUTH. > Now I expect jerry to jump on the fact that I accept donations > & also make Rainbow Bridge Prints that are NOT free.

I don’t care HOWE YOU mooch a living. I’m not saying you’re doing anything crooked, taking advantage of people’s grief and BEGGING for DONATIONS. Where I come from, when you’re dead, you rot. Big deal. > If he does, I hope he will also note that this is what supports > the Petloss.com website as running it is a full time job.

Fleecing people’s feelings? I’d suggest they make a donation to their favorite charity instead of something as useless as a "memorial" on your "cyberchapel" for dead dogs. Maybe a lot of people figure they’ll get alzheimer’s and forget they owned a dog unless they got something from YOU to remind them? What about the LIVE dogs that are being mishandled and abused by YOUR PALS??? You don’t speak up so fast, do you? > <Irrelevant words from jerry snipped to save bandwidth & > dog’s lives.

Talk about irrelevant? Your "cybermemorial" chapel is IRRELEVANT. It is a SHAM. > jer,  When you said: > Hello ed, > You approve of twisting and pinching ears and toes and > jerking and choking dogs to "train" them? > What’s WRONG WITH YOU? J>>> > I challenged you to provide any proof that I ever said any such > thing.

That’s because YOU SIDESTEPPED the question. The question was and STILL IS, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HURTING DOGS to "TRAIN" THEM? > As long as you sidestep the issue & refuse to back up your > slanderous claim, my assessment of you shall remain:

The ONLY issue is: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HURTING DOGS TO TRAIN THEM? You can start with discussing your views on twisting and pinching ears and toes, and then you can enlighten us about shock collars and then we can discuss the human decency of BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS and HANGING dogs to REHABILITATE them… Let’s here it, MORON… > "jer, You really ARE an obnoxious, petty, self-important, lying > piece of smegma!" > EdW

What kind of pig did YOUR mother raise? Read THIS, and give US YOUR OPINION?: Amy Dahl LIES with a straight face and says: >> I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. > > http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html > > http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html???

Aren’t those YOUR OWN WORDS??? But YOU don’t DO THAT??? People, this is HOWE consistency works, and most particularly well with dogs, because here, the same methods are being used to INFLUENCE YOU, and YOU certainly are more intellectually capable of solving problems and have greater critical thinking skills than your dogs…, and these methods work on YOU. >> That article, reprinted from The Retriever Journal, is >> the words of my husband John and myself.

Meaning "We’ll share the credit, making it more credible??? Or we’ll share the blame, to mitigate our own individual responsibility and guilt…" YOU decide, it’s not my business where the blame falls. >> For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses >> not to read the article, there is NO mention in it of "twisting >> ears,"

From the text">>>" ">>>Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.>>> >>"but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to

escaping the ear pinch>>> >>You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your

thumb;>>> >> even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against

that>>> >> Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that

resisting your will fades in importance.>>> >>Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching

its ear.>>> >> if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in>>>" Right… Didn’t lyingfrostydahly just deny all of that? There’s more… That was just a little about ear pinching, and no there was NO MENTION of twisting ears… cindy moore has all that information for you… Does it really matter? The semantics of whether we’re twisting or pinching or slapping or hitting or correcting or nicking instead of BURNING??? The only terminology that doesn’t have any NEAT euphemisms to take the CURSE off what our respected "trainers" actually MEAN (see definitions of punishment thread), is HANGING to REHABILITATE the dog, as ALL of our Koehler fans MUST endorse. Also notice the use of "it" for dog and "the" for him or YOUR DOG. That’s not coincidental, it’s all part of the psychologically and very cleverly designed DESENSITIZATION and MISINFORMATION necessary to REDUCE a good person to ACCEPT and DO HORRIBLE THINGS to dogs and TRYING to call ABUSE training. These are the subtle differences between being an expert dog trainer and some morally bankrupt vicious rotten abusive cretin that goes to jail for abusing dogs…  But don’t lose interest now folks, there’s more… >> NO mention whatsoever of dogs’ toes in any context, >> and NO mention of "beating" dogs.

RIGHT… Perhaps cindymoron would be good enough to teach us more about the toe twist? We’ll ask her to address the toe pinch. lyingfrostydahly: ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply.>>> >> With your hand on the collar and ear, say, "fetch."

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. >>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,>>>"

Wouldn’t you think that was despicable enough even just writing that, let alone risk suffering the embarrassment of not only having that attributed to yourself, but in fact denying your best work and PROVING YOURSELF A SHAMELESS LIAR AND ADVOCATE OF DOG ABUSE??? But it goes on… >> chuck the dog under the chin with your ever-ready right

hand while saying "No!">>> >>If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say

"No! Hold!"  use a chuck under the chin or pinch its ear and place the dummy in its mouth.>>> >> If it doesn’t make rapid progress, you can increase the

pressure by requiring it to pick up the dropped dummy (stay on the ear until it does).>>> >>(perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has

decided it isn’t worth it).>>> pinch its ear and say, "fetch,">>> Here we have consistency and a plea for reason, directly in contradiction to the blackman and white facts signed and published by our expert trainer…  Accordingly, the consistency of constant repetitions of your requests for understanding and compliance from your dogs, dictates that YOU WILL GET IT. So long as you are consistent and keep repeating the exact same scenario, no matter what… Including and especially when you calculatedly and intentionally deny the truth and make your requests seem reasonable, THEY EXPECT YOU TO BELIEVE that such behavior is NORMAL. > In our training we do not do any of these things, nor do we > advocate them to others.

See what I mean? Character, morals, ethics, integrity, human decency? 0.000%. Not a shred. She might have scored 0.001 had she NOT LIED ABOUT IT. >>"Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When

performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it.>>> This is HOWE they get that happy excited working attitude that they all talk about… That’s their criteria for making their dogs happy, willing team mates…They BEAT IT INTO THE DOG. That’s WHY Jerry’s HIGH-STAKES challenge to frantik fraud die… His dog isn’t working, she’s AVOIDING GETTING BURNED…I’ll walk away with HIS national champion "protection" dog and show him up for the vicious loudmouth ignoramus he is. And there’s a jail cell waiting for cindy moore if she ever … read more »

Response:

Jer, You really must love that description. BTW, I never posted that subject header. YOU did. For the record jer, you are a liar & an admitted dog abuser. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I abuse animals. LET’S SEE YOU PROVE IT! YOU ARE LYING when you claim I have pals who abuse animals. LET’S SEE YOU PROVE IT! YOU ARE LYING when you claim I defend abusing animals. LET’S SEE YOU PROVE IT! YOU ARE LYING when you claim you are "ONLY interested in behavior problems here" YOU ARE LYING when you claim to have "HUNDREDS" (you used to claim thousands) of satisfied customers. If what you said had ANY truth in it there would be many links to your website from that pool of customers. The fact is there are NONE, NADA. This can be easily be verified by everyone here & nothing you say can refute it. Where’s the LINKS jer?? Last but not least jer: YOU ARE LYING about Doggy Do Right. The Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT function as you claim. I refer to documentation that will demonstrate this fact: http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 BUYER BEWARE! EdW http://Petloss.com <jer’s usual nastiness & fabrications snipped>

Response:

NEW ?? Here IsThe WayYou Can Get Rid Of GARBAGE POSTS Hi,    Are you here to learn about dogs? Do you need assistance? Are you tired and sickened by the anger, insults, innuendoes, false accusations and unprofessional posts that appear here? Try killfiling(filtering) out certain trouble makers and those that spend all their time yah-yahing others. Don’t worry, you won’t miss any valuable tips. All you will miss is the childish nonsense. Dianne Shoenberg recently posted some valuable advice. I followed it and now for the first time in many years, do find this newsgroup a pleasant place. And yes, the trolls will still yah-yah-yah-yah-yah,insult, slander and catcall. But what I don’t see, will not bother me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Dianne Schoenberg) writes: >Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark >certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a >killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for >some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, >try looking in your browser under "help." >Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety >of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t >help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or >corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at >reposted. >Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne >AGENT >   Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on >   that. >   The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click >   on that. >   The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write >   ‘Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little >   button you want. >AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) >   From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open >   that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering >   tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select >   filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field >   below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below >   the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and >   you’re done. >FREE AGENT >   Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out >   the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. >MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: >   Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing >   one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window >   showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the >   ‘Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this >   author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject >   filters for the active articles respectively. >NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR >   Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. >   In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new >   filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." >   Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" >   or "subject contains lying". >   Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) >   Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take >   effect. >OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 >   Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you >   wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the >   drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". >RN & TRN >   To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a >   file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital >   letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: >   newsgroup you read. >X-NEWS >   When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk >   file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is >   the default.  If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" >   to "0".

Here is another addition to the above : >Howe to be Jerry-free >If you filter out a combo of messages from Jerry and messages about Jerry >(with subjects ‘ninnyboy’, ‘babycakes’, ‘Jerry’, ‘choke’, ‘choking’, and all >permutations of ‘Wits’ End’) your time here will be virtually Jerry-free. >For filtering out Jerry’s other personalities, also add posts from Lawrence >and Anonymous. >Cate

   If you have trouble setting up the above, just post your request for help. Call it "NEED HELP FILTERING" , and someone will be glad to assist. There are many caring and knowledgeable posters here that will give you great tips on dogs. Don’t let the nuts discourage you. Now let’s talk dawgs, Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Herndon, Virginia

Response: