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What are the best arrows for indoors? Aluminium, carbon or aluminium carbon? any brand recomandation?

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You hit the nail on the head: Aluminium, Carbon or a combination of the above. Just use whatever give you the best match to your setup. Hopefully, this will be the same as the one’s you’re using outdoors… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > What are the best arrows for indoors? > Aluminium, carbon or aluminium carbon? > any brand recomandation?

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>What are the best arrows for indoors? >Aluminium, carbon or aluminium carbon?

Yes! — Sven

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Big Fat Allys! Good for line cutting & cheap to replace when you split ‘em! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What are the best arrows for indoors? >Aluminium, carbon or aluminium carbon? > Yes! > — > Sven

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>Big Fat Allys! >Good for line cutting & cheap to replace when you split ‘em!

But very expensive on a hard straw butt with a hard 60# compound. You will bend them with every shot on 20 yards. — Sven

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Well I use a proper (recurve) bow without the training wheels! (Running for the flame suit!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Big Fat Allys! >Good for line cutting & cheap to replace when you split ‘em! > But very expensive on a hard straw butt with a hard 60# compound. > You will bend them with every shot on 20 yards. > — > Sven

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Well, I made some experiments with my collection of hit data. There are 2463 actual hits shot by me and a few other archers. Using my analyzation program, I set the shaft diameter to both the normal ACE size (5.5mm?) and to the maximum allowed by FITA (9.3mm). The total scores were 19060 and 19141, the average scores 7.738 and 7.771. So, for every 60 shots you would probably gain two points. Not very much IMO. Speaking of recurves, I would vote for using the same shafts both indoor and outdoor. Because of the big differences between the two types of arrows, you have to do the tuning twice a year, and there is no  guarantee that the aluminiums fly as well as the ACE’s. Each fall I have tried to tune my 2114’s, but I just can’t keep them on the gold. The reason may be in my poor technique, I tend to have difficulties in the follow-through. The lighter arrows leave the bow more rapidly, so my bow arm does not have as much time to affect on the shot as with a heavier arrow. If you can find the correct tuning and feel comfortable with the fat arrows, go ahead and use them. The tuning may be easier with compounds, no experience on that area. But as the figures show, the actual difference is smaller than you might expect. And if your arrows are thinner than 23xx, the difference gets even smaller…

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| What are the best arrows for indoors? | | Aluminium, carbon or aluminium carbon? | | any brand recomandation? | | I used to shoot ACEs indoors, but i stopped becuase: A: Grouping ACEs together constantly can get *very* expensive. B: They’re too frigging thin! So, I got me a set of 2214 X7s for this season [fletched with 70m Kurly Vanes, not sur eif this si a good idea yet ] — Ewan Oughton [0143324] 2nd Year B.Sc. Comp. Sys. http://www.10xshot.com — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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> A: Grouping ACEs together constantly can get *very* expensive.

Indoors-> spot targets. > B: They’re too frigging thin!

Too thin for what? If I put a needle in the X, it is still as middle as that 2214 of yours:) MA

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Pardon a fool but what are    ace’s? — O:nen ki’ wahi’ bye for now Skennen kenhak O:NEN! Let there be Peace Now! Http://www.geocities.com/bearclanmohawk

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> Pardon a fool but what are    ace’s?

Aluminium/Carbon/Extreme (Used to be A/C/Exhibition.) They are the Easton Ali/Carbon mixes that are priced between ACC’s and X10’s. Nice arrows, but pretty impressively susceptible to wind drift. Tom

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> Aluminium/Carbon/Extreme  Nice arrows, but > pretty impressively susceptible to wind drift.

LOL:) On what basis? You can’t get better FOC with any other arrow. MA

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> Aluminium/Carbon/Extreme  Nice arrows, but > pretty impressively susceptible to wind drift. > LOL:) On what basis? You can’t get better FOC with any other arrow.

Not doubting the FOC – I’ve never worked that out. But I’ve seen them blown six to eight feet to one side of a boss at 90m, which was almost as much as one of my (at the time) XX75’s. Even Easton admit they can be blown about a bit, which is why they made the X10 – even thinner, and heavier. The ACE is relatively lighter and wider than one of those. Tom

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Nia:wen Thank you for the info on ACE, I am used to good old fashioned wood arrows. used to pay $1 each for em but that was years ago. — O:nen ki’ wahi’ bye for now Skennen kenhak O:NEN! Let there be Peace Now! Http://www.geocities.com/bearclanmohawk

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>> > Aluminium/Carbon/Extreme  Nice arrows, but > > pretty impressively susceptible to wind drift. > LOL:) On what basis? You can’t get better FOC with any other arrow. >Not doubting the FOC – I’ve never worked that out. But I’ve seen them blown >six to eight feet to one side of a boss at 90m, which was almost as much as

The side of the boss was 6-8 feet from where he was aiming? Excellent – where can I get these 8 foot bosses? Sounds like just what I need at 90m ) Oh right – I see what you mean now <vbg> >one of my (at the time) XX75’s. Even Easton admit they can be blown about a >bit, which is why they made the X10 – even thinner, and heavier. The ACE is >relatively lighter and wider than one of those.

As you may (or may not) know, I pull 32# and I’ve ONLY ONCE had to aim off the boss in VERY windy conditions with my ACEs. On the same day, Simon Needham shooting X10s and over 40# was also aiming off the boss! Are you sure it wasn’t the archer? )

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > Aluminium/Carbon/Extreme  Nice arrows, but >> > pretty impressively susceptible to wind drift. >> LOL:) On what basis? You can’t get better FOC with any other arrow. >Not doubting the FOC – I’ve never worked that out. But I’ve seen them blown >six to eight feet to one side of a boss at 90m, which was almost as much as > The side of the boss was 6-8 feet from where he was aiming? Excellent > – where can I get these 8 foot bosses? Sounds like just what I need at > 90m ) Oh right – I see what you mean now <vbg> >one of my (at the time) XX75’s. Even Easton admit they can be blown about a >bit, which is why they made the X10 – even thinner, and heavier. The ACE is >relatively lighter and wider than one of those. > As you may (or may not) know, I pull 32# and I’ve ONLY ONCE had to aim > off the boss in VERY windy conditions with my ACEs. On the same day, > Simon Needham shooting X10s and over 40# was also aiming off the boss! > Are you sure it wasn’t the archer? )

Hi Murray, a big improvement on XX75 I had been shoooting, but I did find them easily blown off course…or is it me? With a right to left cross-wind one can quickly run out of sight pin adjustment. Some advise canting the bow but this is tricky to repeat. Aiming-off loses your natural centring on the target. Tweaking the pressure button position has been suggested (!) What advice would you give those of us less proficient than yourself, in the wind?

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> >Not doubting the FOC – I’ve never worked that out. But I’ve seen them blown >six to eight feet to one side of a boss at 90m, which was almost as much as > The side of the boss was 6-8 feet from where he was aiming? Excellent > – where can I get these 8 foot bosses? Sounds like just what I need at > 90m ) Oh right – I see what you mean now <vbg>

Some people. Just can’t let you play unsupervised, can we? <RBG> > As you may (or may not) know, I pull 32# and I’ve ONLY ONCE had to aim > off the boss in VERY windy conditions with my ACEs. On the same day, > Simon Needham shooting X10s and over 40# was also aiming off the boss! > Are you sure it wasn’t the archer? )

Well, I figure a three arrow group with about a one foot diameter shows repeatable, if not good, technique. Then he moved his sight a fair way to one side. I am interested that the X10’s got blown more than your ACEs. Wonder why that happened – I thought they were meant to be more "wind-resistant"? Tom

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> I am interested that the X10’s got blown more than your ACEs. Wonder why > that happened – I thought they were meant to be more "wind-resistant"?

Could be the fact that they are heavier, thus slower. They are "designed" for 70 meters. MA

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>blown off course…or is it me? With a right to left cross-wind one can >quickly run out of sight pin adjustment. Some advise canting the bow but

The trouble with adjusting the sight too much is that it does not allow you to react to changing conditions. The wind is never constant, each shot must be placed carefully, using observations of flags/threads/otehr arrows/whatever suits you. >this is tricky to repeat.

Canting the bow is too imprecise IMO. there’s nothing to guage against. >Aiming-off loses your natural centring on the >target.

True, but with a little practice, this can be mastered. For example, on a calm day go to 30m or 50m, or whatever suits you – set your sight so that when aiming in the Blue at 9-o’clock (for example), the arrows go in the gold. Repeat for other positions around the target. The trick is to pick the spot you know you need to shoot at, and focus on it. >Tweaking the pressure button position has been suggested (!) What

LOL that’s a good one. Wasn’t a competitor was it? <grin> >advice would you give those of us less proficient than yourself, in the >wind?

Proficient? Nah! Experienced? Oh yes! I forgot to mention that the "howling gale" I mentioned earlier was my very first EVER FITA… I came away with the 70m medal! One thing you haven’t mentioned which can be a useful technique is the adjustment of string picture. Push the string picture to the right to move the arrows left, and vice versa. It’s repeatable and measureable but some people seem to have difficulty with this one too.

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>What > advice would you give those of us less proficient than yourself, in the > wind?

Aim off. MA

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There has been a discussion on and off in this newsgroup about using line cutters versus outdoor/carbon arrows indoors. I’m curious about the recent Indoor competition. Were most of the shooters using line cutters or were there many carbon shafts being used in Cuba? What was happening in Las Vegas this year? I’m particularly interested in recurve/Olympic-bow competition. I’m assuming that most compound shooters used the line cutters. Thanks in advance.        Marty Sasaki

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>There has been a discussion on and off in this newsgroup about using >line cutters versus outdoor/carbon arrows indoors. I’m curious about >the recent Indoor competition. Were most of the shooters using line >cutters or were there many carbon shafts being used in Cuba? What was >happening in Las Vegas this year? >I’m particularly interested in recurve/Olympic-bow competition. I’m >assuming that most compound shooters used the line cutters.

Magnus Petterson won the men’s recurve division in Cuba  with an X10 arrow shaft . Most of the compound shooters used aluminum arrows. In Vegas, the men’s recurve winner, Butch Johnson, used aluminum, but women’s winner Petra Ericsson (who was on my target group) used X10 shafts and would have placed third among the men with her score which was something like 10 points higher than the rest of the field.  She opened with something like a 297/300 on the first day.  It was a very humbling experience shooting with Petra.

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FOr recurve unless your shooting like 2214 or something … really line cutters? I shoot aluminums indoor yeah … 1814 but they aren’t very big really can’t call them line cutters … my ACE are thinner though. THe only reason I don’t shoot ACE indoor is I’m afraid to bang them up so much on a single spot .. and could never get myself to do well on a three spot. It would make it easier for me if I shot my ACE indoor though .. wouldn’t have to keep on changing equipment between in and out Han Su Kim

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>I’m >assuming that most compound shooters used the line cutters.

I do! easton X 7, 2613. — Sven

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At the Indoor Nat.’s in Harrisonburg,Va. one of the East’s venues I thought I saw almost exclusively 2613’s for compound.Evan a number of the light weight compound shooters on the JMU team used them at full length to break thier spine. I noticed the high percent of FAT arrows since I was also judging the shoot.

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Haha the 2613 LOGS are dominating Compound =) I’ve yet to see someone load the tip with 300 grains+ on one and use it in a recurve for indoors  . but I’m sure someone will. Here is curious question .. what’s the fattest arrow you seen out of a Olympic bow?  I’ve seen some 23XX but nothing bigger .. Han Su Kim

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 I was shooting aluminum arrows for a while I ended up with slightly lower scores and worse groups then my ace so I have switched back to my ace’s.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There has been a discussion on and off in this newsgroup about using > line cutters versus outdoor/carbon arrows indoors. I’m curious about > the recent Indoor competition. Were most of the shooters using line > cutters or were there many carbon shafts being used in Cuba? What was > happening in Las Vegas this year? > I’m particularly interested in recurve/Olympic-bow competition. I’m > assuming that most compound shooters used the line cutters. > Thanks in advance. >        Marty Sasaki

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> Haha the 2613 LOGS are dominating Compound =)

"2613"! that’s not an arrow, that’s a broomstick! A couple of those in that itty-bitty gold and you wouldn’t be able to see it. Surely that must lead to a huge amount of face changing during a competition?

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  They’re mainly shot at a 3 spot.  

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>Haha the 2613 LOGS are dominating Compound =) >I’ve yet to see someone load the tip with 300 grains+ on one and use it in a >recurve for indoors  . but I’m sure someone will. >Here is curious question .. what’s the fattest arrow you seen out of a >Olympic bow?  I’ve seen some 23XX but nothing bigger .. >Han Su Kim

At least one member of my club is using 2613’s in his recurve indoors with a solder filling in the tips to push the weight up. They describe a spiral path to the target, but group *very* tightly. — Gordon Brown Acoustics Enthusiast, ex-eater of T-bone steaks & oxtail stew, ex-drinker of untreated milk, ex-owner of several very nice target pistols, living in the land of the nanny state…where I’m now told that my blood plasma is unfit for medical use, and not due to the alcohol content either….

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>> Haha the 2613 LOGS are dominating Compound =) >"2613"! that’s not an arrow, that’s a broomstick!

ROTFL But a broomstick with feathers!!  :-))) >A couple of those in that >itty-bitty gold and you wouldn’t be able to see it. Surely that must lead to a >huge amount of face changing during a competition?

Normaly the people use it only for 18m and 25m. With a compound you have to shoot only one arrow in one spot!! — Sven

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