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>The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing >Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs >of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
their oil is not being stolen, it is being paid for. >The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are >born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the >spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, >providing refuge and support to her husband.
women are property in islam, pure and simple. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically >naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. >In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no >one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is >auctioning herself all of the time. >In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. >(As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with >appearance and plagued by weight problems.) >As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act >approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be >loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than >to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males >know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a >part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to >love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed.
things are not perfect here, but at least we are free.
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How patently strange that you think a western woman exercising her right to choose is oppressed and a muslim woman under a dress code is free–very odd – very pathetic. First, NO WHERE in the Qu’ran does it say that women must be veiled! The Qu’ran says that men and women both should dress modestly. Women should "cover their ornaments." No mention of the veil or burqa anywhere. That is the invention of men who want to treat women as if they are property. The Qu’ran also says that men and women are supposed to be equal, but where in the Islamic world are women treated with equality? The truth about Islam and its primitive, backward practices should be told to all the world. Everywhere in the world where Islam is in the majority it has brought backwardness, bigotry, oppression, destruction and great suffering. The Muslim world casts all Western women as whores and our way of life as "immoral" while lusting after the very same and more in their Paradise. I would say promoting misery and ignorance in this life while wishing for 72 virgins and all the trimmings in the next is the height of immorality as well as hypocrisy. Women have the right to dress as they want, the right to education, right to work, reproductive rights, right to worship or not to, right to be free of the Muttawa, right to testify, right to inherit, right to vote, etc. Until islam allows these things for women it is just a repressive, barbaric, death cult-an example the civilized world would rather not follow-thank you very much! Find out the truth about the abomination known as islam in The Flanstein: http://flanstein.blogspot.com/
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka By Henry Makow Ph.D. On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but a bikini. One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called "civilizations." The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini. I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and family. Only they see her. It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere. The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge and support to her husband. In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of the time. In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.) As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason. Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for sexuality in America? Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed. We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of perpetual courtship. This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate. Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority. Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle. Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto. http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
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> > Cool > Sock puppet wanker.
< I agree Sock puppet wanker No 2
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<snip> > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
Uh-huh. This Makow guy—is he a Muslim posing as a Jew? Lisa
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> Cool
Sock puppet wanker.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping > Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a > bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love > feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am > defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children > are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that > sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her > children, providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of > males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which > is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable > to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the > race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge > in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html > good post
I agree
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping > Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a > bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love > feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am > defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children > are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that > sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her > children, providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of > males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which > is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable > to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the > race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge > in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
Cool
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>>> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka By Henry >> Makow Ph.D. http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html > I wonder who the author of this article is. Is he a westerner? A > Muslim?
You can go to the website, follow the links, and find out for yourself. If you like sour bitter tirades against feminists (any woman who is not a doormat is of course a "feminist"!) and conspiracy-mongering rants about the "Freemasonic plots", then you’ll feel quite at home! — SAUDIA OMNIS IN PARTES TRES DIVIDENDA EST! Free Arabia by splitting the Saudi tyranny into its three natural parts: Hejaz-alHarameyn, Nejd-Wahhabistan, and Gulf-Petrolia. Murderers are not Martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/ المتبرجة خير من إرهابي منتحر
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Burkini
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Where can I get one from – do they sell them in wallmart? > > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > > somewhere in the middle. > A Bikiniburka ?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping > Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a > bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love > feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am > defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children > are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that > sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her > children, providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of > males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which > is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable > to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the > race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge > in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html > good post
Good post? This is an excellent post; the best one I have read so far! I wonder who the author of this article is. Is he a westerner? A Muslim? To which side of the clash of civlization does the author place himself? Obviously in a clash of civilization, neutrality is unaffordable! Zubair
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Where can I get one from – do they sell them in wallmart?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > A Bikiniburka ?
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>> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > good post
Sock puppet! — SAUDIA OMNIS IN PARTES TRES DIVIDENDA EST! Free Arabia by splitting the Saudi tyranny into its three natural parts: Hejaz-alHarameyn, Nejd-Wahhabistan, and Gulf-Petrolia. Murderers are not Martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/ المتبرجة خير من إرهابي منتحر
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> The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle.
A Bikiniburka ?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping > Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a > bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love > feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am > defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children > are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that > sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her > children, providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of > males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which > is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable > to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the > race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge > in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
good post
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Abualwafa al-khara you posted this old crap before. Get a life and go and see a shrink. You need some help. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping > Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a > bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love > feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am > defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children > are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that > sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her > children, providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of > males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which > is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable > to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the > race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge > in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
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The greatest strength of a person comes when he knows himself and is able to control himself. One cannot conquer his fear of heights or water until one confronts those fears. One could avoid water and heights for the duration of his life and believe he has overcome his fears but he is fooling neither himself nor his God. By avoiding his problems, he has not grown spiritually and has failed in the eyes of God who gave each of us the ability to overcome our faults. Sexual desires are strong and are not easily controlled but that does not mean it is an impossibility. God has allowed you a confrontation and your job is to recognize the problem and learn to deal with it. Do you ignore the problem? Do you change the dynamics of the problem? Or do you understand that the problem is only in your mind and of your own making. What do you think of when you see a bikini clad woman? Think about it and you might realize that the problem is yours and not mine. Of course we know Allah will be very incensed that you have found a truth of Jehovah. Remember, Allah cannot harm you unless you allow him into your life.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping > Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a > bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love > feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am > defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children > are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that > sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her > children, providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of > males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which > is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable > to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the > race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge > in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka By Henry Makow Ph.D. On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but a bikini. One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called "civilizations." The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini. I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and family. Only they see her. It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere. The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge and support to her husband. In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of the time. In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.) As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason. Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for sexuality in America? Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed. We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of perpetual courtship. This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate. Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority. Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle. http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs > of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine > beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of > the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are > born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the > spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, > providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males > know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a > part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to > love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. > They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex > for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author > of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English > Literature from the University of Toronto. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
If this doesn’t say it all … nothing does
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> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
Give it up, Abu Alfalfa — that’s just old and tired and stale and discredited by this point, so it’s rather pointless of you to try to keep dragging it out of the trash heap at this late date! This article was extensively discussed and debunked in the groups when Makow first published it, and most of us are not very impressed with his argumentation, nor with Henry "Beware the secret Freemasonic plots" "Put Western women into Burkas" "My Philippina mail-order bride left me" Makow himself. Can’t you come up with a slightly better grade of ranting conspiracy theorist and sensitively touchy paranoid anti-feminist than Makow? To see an appropriate Arabic slogan for you (which contains a lot more truth than the Makow article ever did!), view my sig below as HTML, or click on the URL and view the beautiful calligraphy at my website: — المتبرجة خير من الإرهابي المنتحر Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/abulwafa.htm#mutabarrijah
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> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
http://webpages.charter.net/quantim/quantim/islamcult.jpg http://www.thedaily.com/bikini.html
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Of course, this Islamist dude forgot to print you folks a bunch of the better rebuttals to the article on this site. The Islamic world is so conformist that it has a difficult time with the concept of freedom. I don’t think America or the west would appreciate a clerical squad of "morals police" imprisoning them for violating a Muslim dress code. Ironically, when Muslims move to the west, severe social problems have been noted. Denmarks tiny Islamic minority shocked the nation a short while ago when government statistics showed this group to be responsible for the largest percentage of rapes and violent crimes against Danish women. Islam is repressed–and I am not alone in believing that the sexual repression of Islam is a good part of the reason for the worldwide epidemic of Muslim Rage. Get laid more, Muslims, you’ll be more peaceful….. Here’s one: Comment From Mike Harris 9-20-2 While Dr. Makow makes some valid observations concerning some of the flawed perspectives directed towards and about women in Western Society, he fails miserably to produce any true insight. The comparison of a "Miss America" Contestant with the "average" Burka-covered Muslim female is ludicrous–were women expected to be parading on our city streets or going to the market dressed in Bikinis it might be an apt comparison, but such is not the case. Further, the inadequacies of Britney Spears as a Teenage Role Model have been pointed out many times by others–including Spears herself recently. Dr. Makow seems to use the term "independent" in connection with women as some sort of slang insult,and he competely ignores that the so-called revered status of Muslim womanhood amounts to them being treated as Property . In America, women are treated as a Commodity due to their beauty (as are Men) — IF they wish to be and IF they allow it . But bottom-line, they have The Freedom to either self-promote or reject the status of Commodity. In the Muslim rigid framework of existence, women are Property, and are subject to cruelty far greater than any so-called Western "debauchery". "The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle. " That is the only unassailable statement Dr. Makow makes—all else is simply proof that a Ph.D doesn’t necessarily guarantee a perceptive viewpoint, merely that the author’s Opinion shall be printed somewhere. — Mike Harris (no Ph.D…but no Personal Agenda, either…)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs > of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine > beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of > the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are > born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the > spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, > providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males > know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a > part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to > love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. > They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex > for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author > of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English > Literature from the University of Toronto. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
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> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
The picture of the woman in Burka on Faris Jizwad’s wall. heehee OVER 18 PLEASE http://zeerabi.com/0605bingirl/1.shtml idiot. American women have more integrity than Islamist whores. At least they do not produce children for money to be used as homocide bombers.
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The role of Vitamin D in the prevention of cancer has been one of the hottest areas of research of late, with long documentation that cancer rates sharply increase with low vitamin D intake–and as one moves further north. Vitamin D is in the grey area of both vitamin and hormone (the body manufactures it via sunlight on skin)–while the incidence of skin cancer increases with too much sun exposure, skin cancers tend not to be life threatening like other cancers. Now, dermatologists are realizing that the data dictates more sun exposure is an asset for cancer prevention. Muslim women who wear the burka in western societies tend to have higher cancer rates.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D. > On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. > Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing > nothing but a bikini. > One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally > exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of > so-called "civilizations." > The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing > Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs > of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini. > I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine > beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of > the values that the burka represents for me. > For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and > family. Only they see her. > It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic > sphere. > The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are > born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the > spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, > providing refuge and support to her husband. > In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically > naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. > In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no > one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is > auctioning herself all of the time. > In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. > (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with > appearance and plagued by weight problems.) > As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act > approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be > loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than > to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males > know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a > part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to > love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. > The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship > between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. > Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and > prey. It is based on aggression and reason. > Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in > "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The > result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her > shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. > This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: > undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and > personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," > women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. > They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex > for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. > At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian > women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied > that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise > "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for > sexuality in America? > Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when > we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: > creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us > to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for > marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and > self-obsessed. > We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain > lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, > in a state of perpetual courtship. > This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a > function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex > appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," > she is not likely to find a permanent mate. > Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making > marriage and family her first priority. > Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched > American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined > millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. > I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it > represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband > and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. > The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies > somewhere in the middle. > Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author > of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English > Literature from the University of Toronto. > http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka By Henry Makow Ph.D. On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but a bikini. One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called "civilizations." The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini. I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. For me, the burka represents a woman’s consecration to her husband and family. Only they see her. It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere. The Muslim woman’s focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge and support to her husband. In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of the time. In America, the cultural measure of a woman’s value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.) As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to receive her husband’s seed. The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason. Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for sexuality in America? Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God’s surrogates: creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed. We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of perpetual courtship. This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate. Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority. Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman’s consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle. Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto. http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
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>Granted, I’m sure there are many, many Muslims who would be considered >decent, honest and pious. However, no other religion has schools organized >to indoctrinate children with hatred. No other religion has religious >clerics spewing venom, lies and inciting to murder while preaching in a >place of worship.
can you give me an example of those schools?
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>Granted, I’m sure there are many, many Muslims who would be considered >decent, honest and pious. However, no other religion has schools >organized >to indoctrinate children with hatred. No other religion has religious >clerics spewing venom, lies and inciting to murder while preaching in a >place of worship. > can you give me an example of those schools?
Just one ?, OK : Jemaah Islamiyah (Still active, and arsehole Bashir is their chief "cleric") Bashir found enough support to create a boarding school in Java, whose motto, "Death in the way of Allah is our highest aspiration," should tell you everything you need to know about its curriculum. http://www.rotten.com/library/history/terrorist-organizations/jemaah-…
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Granted, I’m sure there are many, many Muslims who would be considered >>decent, honest and pious. However, no other religion has schools >>organized >>to indoctrinate children with hatred. No other religion has religious >>clerics spewing venom, lies and inciting to murder while preaching in a >>place of worship. > can you give me an example of those schools? > Just one ?, OK : > Jemaah Islamiyah (Still active, and arsehole Bashir is their chief > "cleric") > Bashir found enough support to create a boarding school in Java, whose > motto, "Death in the way of Allah is our highest aspiration," should tell > you everything you need to know about its curriculum. > http://www.rotten.com/library/history/terrorist-organizations/jemaah-…
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> The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka > By Henry Makow Ph.D.
All guys like Makow, who obsess over sex and get fizzly with indignation when they see pretty young girls flaunting their beauty, do so for the same reason: they want the girls, they can’t have them, and it makes them feel bad. Universal behavior.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> good response Joe King, > I have not heard about what Pat Robertson has said, because of > censorship in public media or just ignorance of what someone has told > about Hugo Chavez which his country is a partner of ours in many > fields. > Maybe you’re right but, > 1- personally i think that hugu chavez is right and US will do > something about him. > 2- if Robertson was muslim he would have never told other muslims to > kill someone because he/she think that muslims want to kill him, > Muslims are forbidden from killing other people just in some specific > conditions, for example when someone publicly insults their prophet, > when others start fighting with them (= when defending theirselves) or > when someone kills another muslim intentionally. > I know that sometime muslims do something that is really disgraceful > and even forbidden in Islam and sometime other people( non-muslims) try > to do something to show that muslims are crule. > Do you think bin-ladan is muslim? I don’t know what you or all other > non-muslims think but we muslims (at least people of my country) do not > consider them muslim and have shown our disapproval about them. They > are part of US political program, they go every where US governments > want. Can you consider the time when bin-ladan is arrested? then, How > US governments can explain their military affairs around the world . > THEY HAVE CREATED THEM (Bin-Lanan, Algaaede or …) AND WANT THEM TO > WANDER AROUND THE WORLD TO OPEN THE ROAD OF CONQUERING ALL PART OF THE > WORLD. > but if you see that most muslim countries are silent about this > affairs, one of its reason is that they are all busy with their fights > with each other, or internal problems: > – Iraq has no stable government > – Sudia thinks about its oil and nothing else > – Afghanistan is busy with its problems > – Pakistan is busy with India in a competition in producing more > powerful military equipments > – Sudan is solving its national problem after many years of fighting > – …. > See? And it may sound funny to you but personally i think it is also > another political plan! > I don’t want to say that all muslims mistakes are political plans of > their enemies, they have made alot of mistakes but none of them is > Islam’s mistake. > thanks for paying attention, > –Jimmy
Of course none of those are Islam’s mistake just as atrocities committed by Christians are not Christianity’s mistakes. The onus for mistakes of adherenta to a specific religion is solely on the individual. Having said that, Islam condones and encourages murder of innocents. Yes, Muslims have their own interpretation of the meaning of an innocent but the Islamic religion does demand that killing. Participants of the Olympic Games, embassy personnel, people riding in buses, airline passengers, people who have a different belief have all been accomplished in the name of Allah and Islam but there is little objection heard from the Muslim world. The Quran has numerous admonitions pertaining to killing innocents. Granted, I’m sure there are many, many Muslims who would be considered decent, honest and pious. However, no other religion has schools organized to indoctrinate children with hatred. No other religion has religious clerics spewing venom, lies and inciting to murder while preaching in a place of worship. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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good response Joe King, I have not heard about what Pat Robertson has said, because of censorship in public media or just ignorance of what someone has told about Hugo Chavez which his country is a partner of ours in many fields. Maybe you’re right but, 1- personally i think that hugu chavez is right and US will do something about him. 2- if Robertson was muslim he would have never told other muslims to kill someone because he/she think that muslims want to kill him, Muslims are forbidden from killing other people just in some specific conditions, for example when someone publicly insults their prophet, when others start fighting with them (= when defending theirselves) or when someone kills another muslim intentionally. I know that sometime muslims do something that is really disgraceful and even forbidden in Islam and sometime other people( non-muslims) try to do something to show that muslims are crule. Do you think bin-ladan is muslim? I don’t know what you or all other non-muslims think but we muslims (at least people of my country) do not consider them muslim and have shown our disapproval about them. They are part of US political program, they go every where US governments want. Can you consider the time when bin-ladan is arrested? then, How US governments can explain their military affairs around the world . THEY HAVE CREATED THEM (Bin-Lanan, Algaaede or …) AND WANT THEM TO WANDER AROUND THE WORLD TO OPEN THE ROAD OF CONQUERING ALL PART OF THE WORLD. but if you see that most muslim countries are silent about this affairs, one of its reason is that they are all busy with their fights with each other, or internal problems: – Iraq has no stable government – Sudia thinks about its oil and nothing else – Afghanistan is busy with its problems – Pakistan is busy with India in a competition in producing more powerful military equipments – Sudan is solving its national problem after many years of fighting – …. See? And it may sound funny to you but personally i think it is also another political plan! I don’t want to say that all muslims mistakes are political plans of their enemies, they have made alot of mistakes but none of them is Islam’s mistake. thanks for your paying attention, –Jimmy
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> If you prefer donkeys to women, something must be done about you. If > you prefer freedom to buy women’s body, be happy in the way you like. > If you think that women must wear potato sacks and your female > relatives wear that its your problem. > Women’s clothes in islam is not what you see as potato sacks, so if you > do not want to read and think about it do not fight with it. > If some non-muslims kill innocent people all over the world, or sell > girls as goods to have sex with many people or… Are all christians > like that? > Take my advice : DO NOT EXTRACT ISLAM FROM BEHAVIOUR OF SOME BARBARIANS > WHO TRY TO INTERPERT ISLAM IN THE WORST POSSIBLE. > -Jimmy
Considering your response to my post, I’d say you are rather upset. If you want to get under the skin of a racist, bigot or just a plain rude person then give them back exactly what they are doing. I suggest you re read the post that I responded to (the same one that has been reposted dozens of times), I mean really read it and try to place yourself in the shoes of a non Muslim. You’ll quickly notice the hate and discust of another culture. Actually, it’s a little humorous coming from someone advocating a culture steeped in backwardtism and an adherence to archaic and barbarous social customs. In short, a tenth century culture attempting to exist in the 21st century. Yours is but a whisper within a sea of roars. If Islam is as you say then why is there such a deafening silence concerning what you call barbarians? What did you hear from Americans when that religious person declared we should assasinate a president of a south American country? I’ll tell you. You heard an immediate and sound refutiation of the comments and the persons beliefs. If Pat Robertson ahd been Muslim then no doubtedly someone would have attempted to carry out his wishes. If there was the same uproar coming from Islamic clerics and political persons then you might have some justification for what you say. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Katrina, > Article was a nice work. I agree with most part, I hope to read more of > you 
> You are one of few people who wants to tell something not to fight with > others. > -Jimmy >Yes, we need to let eveyone hear this message. In that way we can continue >to conceal the fact that the real reason we force our woman to wear potato >sacks is because they are so ugly and fat. I might add it’s also a good way >to cover the stench of their bodies. And those stupid Westerners wonder why >we prefer camels and donkeys to women.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why should anyone care except the Faith Based Christian zionazis??? > Why are there so many terrorist nests/mosques and islamist > foundations in the western world but there are no hindu temples, > churches, or synagogues in Saudi Arabia specially in Mecca? > The west must force the damned arabs to open up to other religious > followers or shut down their islamic centers and their arab > organizations in their own. London & Paris has already become like > Mecca & Medina. > It is up to the people in the west to force their reps to do > something about this issue. That is the first step to open up the > closed society of the savage islamist arabs. > Let’s do it guys. 
) So now we vonder what to see and do in Curacao and where to go after that? Is Venezula an option? How abot Bonaire? How about Aruba? Is there any ferries between the islands? Any Hotel suggestions, not expensive ones? Nice and affordable restaurants, are there? We like to see things, and do some (very little) snorkeling. We do not lay in the beaches. We love the sea, good food and of course wine. Ronnie P.S Annie I look forward to your response