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[paraphrased] Caller: I’ve been dating a girl for about a month who has her BLEEP pierced…I was wondering about breaking condoms. Dr. Drew’s reply: It’s more of a worry if it’s the guy, if he has a ring at the tip, like a Prince Albert. In women I’d worry more about loss of sensation. And then he suggested a link between piercing and having been molested as a child, based on his experience. [What's this guy's degree, anyway? The mice-type rolls by way to fast.] So, before everyone tears the good doctor a new BLEEPhole, why don’t WE take a survey of condom and cervical cap and diaphram failure due to piercings, and present our results to the Doc. [Thanks for the suggestion, whomever posted about sending MTV the FAQs...I hadn't yet seen this episode. I haven't watched any latenight TV in ages...guess I picked a winner!] [And yes, I know many people who have used bodyart to mark recovery - be it from abuse, rape, general shit from men (me! me!), new self-awareness and self-confidence (ME!)...feel free to add your own.] So, survey time. I’ll start with my experiences. You may respond anonymously (ie. I will not publish your name, handle, or email address; and I know surveys do take into account people choosing not to answer certain questions, since this does reaquire more detailed questions). You may also include any adverse physical reactions to either partner, since this issue has come-up recently in private email. If anyone has questions to add, please suggest! Lani, can we post this on the rab page? I think we should speak up, considering the magnitude of MTV’s reach. Or we can stick the results in the FAQ. PIERCING / JEWELRY GA, STYLE / TIME / FREQUENCY / PROBLEM? / FREQ. of PROBLEM? PA / 12ga to 8ga after 10 mos., cbr to circular bb / 2 years total / 3-5 times a week / not using barrier methods, when we did, no problem / na Apadravya / 10ga to 8ga and shortened / 18 mos. / " / using condoms for the healing process, Trojan Magnum to allow extra room for the jewelry / never a problem — * Ardvark * Anne Greenblatt Piercing FAQ Manager for rec.arts.bodyart Piercing Exquisite http://www2.ba.best.com/~ardvark
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: Dr. Drew’s reply: It’s more of a worry if it’s the guy, if he has a ring : at the tip, like a Prince Albert. In women I’d worry more about loss of : sensation. : And then he suggested a link between piercing and having been molested as a : child, based on his experience. : [What's this guy's degree, anyway? The mice-type rolls by way to fast.] Dr. Drew really annoys me. I’ve watched the show a few times, and every time I’ve watched it he keeps insisting that women can’t have sex without forming some kind of strong emotional attachment with the person they had sex with. Yeah, right. I’m still not sure why anyone would rely on the advice given by that show, anyways. I mean, they let the *celebrity guests* answer deep emotional questions. ("I’m not a counselor, but I *am* a rock star…") -steph
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>I’m still not sure why anyone would rely on the advice given by that show, >anyways. I mean, they let the *celebrity guests* answer deep emotional >questions.
Personally, I enjoy Love Line, but I SURE AS HELL wouldn’t take any of their advice. Hell, ANYONE can give advice. I think the Internet is a testament to that fact.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > : Dr. Drew’s reply: It’s more of a worry if it’s the guy, if he has a ring > : at the tip, like a Prince Albert. In women I’d worry more about loss of > : sensation. > : And then he suggested a link between piercing and having been molested as a > : child, based on his experience. > : [What's this guy's degree, anyway? The mice-type rolls by way to fast.] > Dr. Drew really annoys me. I’ve watched the show a few times, and every > time I’ve watched it he keeps insisting that women can’t have sex without > forming some kind of strong emotional attachment with the person they had > sex with. > Yeah, right. > <SNIP>
I know I’ll probably get flamed for this, but I feel the need to defend Dr. Drew in general. While I certainly don’t agree with all of his diagnosies (especially what he has to say about piercings), I think in general _he_ is a good resource for some troubled people. He has been doing the radio version of Love Lines (5 nights a week, 2 hrs per) on KROQ 106.7 in L.A. since its inception 10 years ago. I have heard him give out some very sage advice to people with all sorts of problems (from incest to drugs etc…) If you have been listening to Love Line on the radio for the past 10 years, you might agree with me. Don’t get me wrong, I listen to Love Lines more for Dr. Drew’s co- host (he’s had 3 different ones, each just as colorful as the other) just to laugh rather than to apply to my life any advice he doles out to the callers. Just my 1/50th of a buck… Dean
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> [What's this guy's degree, anyway? The mice-type rolls by way to fast.]
According to the intro on the show, he’s a medical doctor whose specialty is addiction medicine (whatever that means exactly). > [Thanks for the suggestion, whomever posted about sending MTV the FAQs...I > hadn't yet seen this episode. I haven't watched any latenight TV in > ages...guess I picked a winner!]
That was me! That was me! 
The lowly RABbit without the ears! Seriously, though…the address that they give for the FAQ to them or not, but it’s worth a try…or maybe check out MTV’s website and see if there’s an alternate route to get email to them… jason — http://www.frognet.net/~jgriffey NOTICE: By sending unsolicited commercial advertising/solicitations to the above e-mail addresses you will be indicating your consent to pay Jason Griffey $1,000 U.S.D./hour for a minimum of 1 hour of my time. Quote of the Day: Don’t call me a mindless philosopher, you overweight glob of grease! C3P0, _Star Wars_
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>[What's this guy's degree, anyway? The mice-type rolls by way to fast.]
Well, apparently, his specialty is in addiction medicine. And he’s a "board-certified physician". It puzzles me why they wouldn’t find a doctor with a degree in something slightly more appropriate for a sex-oriented show. >So, before everyone tears the good doctor a new BLEEPhole, why don’t WE >take a survey of condom and cervical cap and diaphram failure due to >piercings, and present our results to the Doc.
>[And yes, I know many people who have used bodyart to mark recovery - be it >from abuse, rape, general shit from men (me! me!), new self-awareness and >self-confidence (ME!)...feel free to add your own.]
Y’know- I’ve been watching LL for a while now, and Dr. Drew dispenses mostly sane advice. He does have some issues I disagree with, but overall, I feel most of his advice does make sense. The one point taht I do most violently disagree with is his attitudes on piercing. Every time a question on piercing comes up (usually 1 a show), he usually prefixes his answer with "I don’t understand this piercing but…" AFAIK, this was the first time he’s expressed his belief that genital piercings had a link to childhood abuse, but I know that he often has implied that participating in S&M and the like have links to childhood abuse as well… And for the record, I had a 12ga frenum, and my GF and I had no problem with various type of condoms over a course of almost 2 months before I took it out… For the record part 2- prior to that GF, I had another one where I did wind up breaking 3 or so condoms, of various brands, and I didn’t even have the frenum pierce then! — http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox/fuzzbox.html + being able to wear earplugs + at concerts again.
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:AFAIK, this was the first time he’s expressed his belief that genital :piercings had a link to childhood abuse, but I know that he often has :implied that participating in S&M and the like have links to childhood :abuse as well… "Childhood abuse" is a vague, all-encompassing term that has become the smoking gun of choice for those who feel the need to look for smoking guns. Some therapists use this label as a cudgel to validate their own preconceived notions of what is "normal" and what is not. Not too long ago, people exactly like this guy were saying that homosexuality was caused by dominant mothers and weak fathers, and could be cured through repeated doses of electroshock therapy. If the good doctor isn’t willing to get specific and say exactly what he means by "childhood abuse," then my bet would be that he’s being intellectually dishonest with others (and possibly with himself.) boy brent | Londo: It’s like being nibbled to death by one | webbed feet, long beak, goes quack… | Vir: Cats? | Londo: Yes, Cats!
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> Y’know- I’ve been watching LL for a while now, and Dr. Drew dispenses > mostly sane advice. He does have some issues I disagree with, but overall, > I feel most of his advice does make sense. The one point taht I do > most violently disagree with is his attitudes on piercing. Every time > a question on piercing comes up (usually 1 a show), he usually prefixes > his answer with "I don’t understand this piercing but…"
I don’t watch it but KOME in San Jose plays it at 10 every night. I forget to turn it off occasionally, and mostly I think Dr. Drew is relatively sane. Hi co-host, on the other hand, is a *jerk* (sorry to those of you who find him amusing.) I happened to be listening a few weeks ago when a guy called in with multiple piercings and tats, looking for some moral support because no one in his environmental doctorate program took him seriously. Drew gave a reasonably supportive answer, but was completely drowned out by Adam putting visibly pierced people in the same category with women who wear jogging clothes (!) in that all they really want is attention, so why do they complain when they get it? Society’s never gonna change, and if you were a normal human being, you live within those boundaries and don’t be a "deviant", etc. Dr. Drew argued with him fairly unsuccessfully before they moved on to another call. The difference seems to be that Drew says that *he* doesn’t understand it, but he doesn’t try to project that onto other people, and that’s not entirely unreasonable. (I think he’s way overboard in the "past childhood abuse" connection, though.) Adam, however, will totally and completely shit on anyone who does anything he doesn’t understand OR agree with. FWIW, I also support sending them the survey and/or FAQ. Adam will probably dis it, but Drew might get something out of it. Hey, we might even be able to get Anne or somebody on the show! It would beat the hell out of the idiotic, vacuous "stars" they often have on. -Redfox "How are you, Eeyore?" asked Pooh. "Not very how," said Eeyore. "I haven’t felt at all how in a very long time."
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Yes I thought his relationship between pierced people and his thoughts of why people get those "taboo" piercings wasn’t very well thought. In fact I thought it was a very offensive to me. Just my $.02 barnE.
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> FWIW, I also support sending them the survey and/or FAQ. Adam will > probably dis it, but Drew might get something out of it. Hey, we might > even be able to get Anne or somebody on the show! It would beat the hell > out of the idiotic, vacuous "stars" they often have on.
I think that sending them the FAQ is a good idea. Dr. Drew might get something out of it. I don’t know about Adam, since there was an article about him a while back in "New Times" [local free weekly rag.] that said that he is actually functionally illiterate. Bummer. [Actually, I do have a certain fondness for Adam's "Mr. Birchum" character that he does on the KROQ morning show. I think he's pretty funny in an intentional-bad-taste sort of way.] — Stan | "I just want to live like Yogi Bear
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> FWIW, I also support sending them the survey and/or FAQ. Adam will > probably dis it, but Drew might get something out of it. Hey, we might > even be able to get Anne or somebody on the show! It would beat the hell > out of the idiotic, vacuous "stars" they often have on.
That is a GREAT idea…. having Anne on LL. – Robert W. Montcalm — — Graduate Studies in Mathematics — – George Mason University — — Fairfax, Va — — http://osf1.gmu.edu/~rmontcal/index.html — Love is not weakness! Love is power! Love is truth! Love is endless! Love is your forgiveness! Love is your sacrifice! Love is your faith! Love is your trust! Love is your hope! downset., "touch"
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>PIERCING / JEWELRY GA, STYLE / TIME / FREQUENCY / PROBLEM? / FREQ. of PROBLEM?
To these questions I would like to add – VAGINAL / ANAL / ORAL For example, a condom may be more likely to tear of caught between teeth and jewelry. — * Ardvark * Anne Greenblatt Piercing FAQ Manager for rec.arts.bodyart Piercing Exquisite http://www2.ba.best.com/~ardvark
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Yes, but I’d like to have some SURVEY RESULTS to present!!! I just wrote them a letter I posted here, after seeing the second piercing question. >Y’know- I’ve been watching LL for a while now, and Dr. Drew dispenses >mostly sane advice. He does have some issues I disagree with, but overall, >I feel most of his advice does make sense. The one point taht I do >most violently disagree with is his attitudes on piercing. Every time >a question on piercing comes up (usually 1 a show), he usually prefixes >his answer with "I don’t understand this piercing but…"
He hasn’t done his homework. He replied that the medical community has no way of finding out about piercing except from off the street, and we ALL knowthat’s BS! He revealed his ignorance, when he’s stressing education and awareness. It’s not like the info is hard to find. The APP has many contacts in the medical field. I’ve tried to forge my own, as well as tried to educate the public through popular media or in response to misinformation spread in magazines such as Child and Vogue. But they ignore me. They don’t want to hear opposing views. >And for the record, I had a 12ga frenum, and my GF and I had no problem >with various type of condoms over a course of almost 2 months before I >took it out… >For the record part 2- prior to that GF, I had another one where I did >wind up breaking 3 or so condoms, of various brands, and I didn’t even >have the frenum pierce then!
Thanks! I’ll include the info in my survey results… — * Ardvark * Anne Greenblatt Piercing FAQ Manager for rec.arts.bodyart Piercing Exquisite http://www2.ba.best.com/~ardvark
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>I know I’ll probably get flamed for this, but I feel the need to defend >Dr.Drew in general. While I certainly don’t agree with all of his >diagnosies (especially what he has to say about piercings), I think in
general >_he_ is a good resource for some troubled people. Yes, he is. He does ask questions like, "What do YOU want? Why is it so important to please your bf / gf?" But what irritated me more than his lack of knowledge (or *unjustified* link between piercings and past abuses) is his blatant ignorance regarding the resources that are readily available at his fingertips! He said that there is no way for the medical community to find out about piercings! And we all know that’s BS! He hasn’t bothered to do his homework! — * Ardvark * Anne Greenblatt Piercing FAQ Manager for rec.arts.bodyart Piercing Exquisite http://www2.ba.best.com/~ardvark
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>forget to turn it off occasionally, and mostly I think Dr. Drew is >relatively sane.
What I disliked most tonight was his blatant ignorance and failure to do his homework. [see my other post] >FWIW, I also support sending them the survey and/or FAQ…
I just sent them a letter. To be followed by the survey in a month or when I get 500 responses, whichever comes first…well, I’d LIKE 500 responses…I fantasize about geting 500 responses… — * Ardvark * Anne Greenblatt Piercing FAQ Manager for rec.arts.bodyart Piercing Exquisite http://www2.ba.best.com/~ardvark
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> Seriously, though…the address that they give for >the FAQ to them or not, but it’s worth a try…
I mailed them a nice, honest letter, which I posted earlier tonight. — * Ardvark * Anne Greenblatt Piercing FAQ Manager for rec.arts.bodyart Piercing Exquisite http://www2.ba.best.com/~ardvark
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>>"Childhood abuse" is a vague, all-encompassing term that has become the >smoking gun of choice for those who feel the need to look for smoking guns. >I heard in the news that sa woman was suing her therapist for planting >the "abused child" idea in her mind, and that it led to the breakdown of >her family.
As a repressed memory thing? I’ve heard about a lot of repressed memory cases. One was with a preacher and his daughter. And we all remember the rash of child abuse accusations of childcare facility employees. They became so out of hand as to include regular human sacrifice and bestiality orgies and maimings. The children were abused, by those planting the thoughts in their minds. "The teddybear will like you if you tell the truth about what they did to you…tell me what they did to you…I know they did something bad to you." I watch far too many made-for-TV-now-on-Lifetime movies. — * Ardvark * Anne Greenblatt Piercing FAQ Manager for rec.arts.bodyart Piercing Exquisite http://www2.ba.best.com/~ardvark
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<=>But what irritated me more than his lack of knowledge (or *unjustified* <=>link between piercings and past abuses) is his blatant ignorance regarding <=>the resources that are readily available at his fingertips! He said that <=>there is no way for the medical community to find out about piercings! And <=>we all know that’s BS! He hasn’t bothered to do his homework! I didn’t see the show, but uhhh….he *COULD* research it if he wished, but basically it’s easier to form assumptions on a three minute blurb of one caller and generalize it to the whole, claiming a lack of research is a basis for his opinion. I am a nurse…and lots of us in the med community are inked or pierced. Basically, he’s just spending too much time with the suits and not with the folks on the floor. :) NuBaby Vice stings us even in our pleasures, but virtue consoles us, even in our pains. Colton
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