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>That’s right
Thats hysterical. >That’s right
Thats really lame. >No squirrels in my living room, or my yard –
Well, would that we all could be so lucky…. >Once learned, we >can test with distractions.
Well, using your method, one would: A. Never get to that point or B: Ones dog would die because he was 15 years old before he finally understood"’what heel means" and he had a heart attack due to the excitement of the introduction of a squirrel as a distraction. Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html "AKC papers do not mean you are getting a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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It’s reassuring to know you always read my posts 
— http://www.angelfire.com/mb/dogtraining/homepage.html Turn negative to positive and be positive to learn – FORCE is anything that makes a dog ‘do’ or ’stop doing’ something without giving the dog freedom of thought, decision and learning. Good Dog Training is ‘Teaching a dog to behave by our rules’ Bad Dog Training is ‘Making a dog behave by our rules’.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->That’s right > Thats hysterical. >That’s right > Thats really lame. >No squirrels in my living room, or my yard – > Well, would that we all could be so lucky…. >Once learned, we >can test with distractions. > Well, using your method, one would: > A. Never get to that point > or > B: Ones dog would die because he was 15 years old before he finally > understood"’what heel means" and he had a heart attack due to the excitement > of the introduction of a squirrel as a distraction. > Dogstar716 > Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html > "AKC papers do not mean you are getting > a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy > mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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>It’s reassuring to know you always read my posts
Yes, I do read them. And the more you post, the happier I am Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html "AKC papers do not mean you are getting a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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>It’s reassuring to know you always read my posts > Yes, I do read them. And the more you post, the happier I am
Well thank you…. that’s probably the nicest thing you’ve ever said to me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dogstar716 > Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html > "AKC papers do not mean you are getting > a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy > mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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Hello screwball,
>IMMEDIATELY praise as >you move forward. Don’t look at your pup. Take small bouncy paces and keep >praising. > And remember, do NOT look at your pup. And this excercise works the best when > your pup is offleash. > So…. even though your pup just took off after the squirrel, > keep dancing and praising, and eventually, if you’re lucky, your > pup will return.
Not at all. THAT’S WHY we condition the dog to come FIRST. We teach come BEFORE any other exercises… That’s something that takes you screwballs MONTHS, maybe FOREVER, before you can get that to happen… > Granted, he will be tired and probably walk right past you, > unimpressed with your bouncing, go get a drink and go lie > down and sleep.
You are a MENTAL CASE. You are making FALSE and RIDICULOUS arguments to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to ABUSE DOGS and call that training… > But! Keep telling him he is a good dog, and do NOT repeat > the heel command. And remember, everything is far more > effective off leash!
That’s right, because we DON’T CHOKE and HURT our students… YOU DO. > Dogstar716 > Come see Gunnars Life:
Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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>IMMEDIATELY praise as >you move forward. Don’t look at your pup. Take small bouncy paces and keep >praising.
That’s right > And remember, do NOT look at your pup. And this excercise works the best when > your pup is offleash.
That’s right > So…. even though your pup just took off after the squirrel, keep dancing and > praising, and eventually, if you’re lucky, your pup will return.
No squirrels in my living room, or my yard – another good side to this exercise – takes little space, can be indoors if you like. It’s teaching the dog ‘where heel is’, ‘what heel means’. Once learned, we can test with distractions. Even squirrels if they turn you on ))) Granted, he – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> will be tired and probably walk right past you, unimpressed with your bouncing, > go get a drink and go lie down and sleep. But! Keep telling him he is a good > dog, and do NOT repeat the heel command. And remember, everything is far more > effective off leash! > Dogstar716 > Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html > "AKC papers do not mean you are getting > a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy > mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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>IMMEDIATELY praise as >you move forward. Don’t look at your pup. Take small bouncy paces and keep >praising.
And remember, do NOT look at your pup. And this excercise works the best when your pup is offleash. So…. even though your pup just took off after the squirrel, keep dancing and praising, and eventually, if you’re lucky, your pup will return. Granted, he will be tired and probably walk right past you, unimpressed with your bouncing, go get a drink and go lie down and sleep. But! Keep telling him he is a good dog, and do NOT repeat the heel command. And remember, everything is far more effective off leash! Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html "AKC papers do not mean you are getting a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I got a box of stuff from http://www.jandjdog.com today to try on Annie, to > see if forging on heel can be corrected in some novel and effective > way. The real problem is that she’s unimpressed with my corrections > compared to the ability to forge or be unattentive when something > interesting comes up. If something unexpected happens on the left, > she looks left _even knowing_ that I’ll immediately turn right, > and takes the jerk still looking back at whatever it was. > Ron, I am stepping into this late, but it seems to me you are taking an approach > to heel which I wouldn’t take. > In order to produce a good heeling dog, the dog a) has to understand where > "heel" is, and b) has to want to heel. > Teaching the dog where heel is, is mostly done through stationary exercises, or > exercises where the dog only moves a short distance. "Doodling" exercises are > fantastic for this–dog is standing by side. You step one step directly right > (not forward and right, just one step right), then say "heel," and help guide > her into place.
Interesting you say this Robin. A short while ago I posted ‘help please’ to improve an article I was writing, ‘Puppies first encounter with the lead’. The article mentions ‘Heel Stage One’. HEEL (Stage One) One of the biggest mistakes with heel training is allowing lead to become tight before commanding heel. This is teaching the dog – ‘heel’ sound means tight lead and sore neck. This creates an aversion to the sound ‘heel’ and reverses the assumed learning process. Therefore, before we can expect our dog to ‘know’ what heel is, we have to show him – we do this ‘from a stationery position’ (sit/heel) and then teach our dog to move with, and at same speed as our left leg – therefore, we have to consider the rhythm of our walking pace, and also the length of our legs compared to our dogs (smaller, quicker strides are usually required). Lesson One: 1)Dog sitting beside left leg. (lead in right hand – left hand ‘off’ lead – 2)Command ‘Heel’ (happy calm tone) – Immediately Praise for at least 10 seconds – doesn’t matter if dog moves. 3)End of exercise – play with dog. Repeat at least 3 times. Next, we move on to teaching the dog that ‘heel’ means ‘remain with left leg, even if it moves’ Lesson Two: 1) As stage 1) of first lesson. 2) Command Heel and as doing take one step to the right – immediately praise your dog 3) As stage 3) above. Lesson Three: Repeat Lesson One Lesson Four: Repeat Lesson Two, but take two paces to your right. Lesson Five: Repeat Lesson One Lesson Six: Repeat Lesson Two, but take one pace forward. Lesson Seven: Repeat Lesson Six, but take two paces forward. Lesson Eight: Repeat Lesson One. Then proceed to: Start from a stationery position. Command "Heel", and IMMEDIATELY praise as you move forward. Don’t look at your pup. Take small bouncy paces and keep praising. You want him/her to try to catch you. If it’s not fun, s/he’ll have no time for it.. S/he’s a bonnie, bouncy baby pup, not a robot. Once s/he’s caught you, relax and turn direction, still small bouncy steps – s/he will chase. Make it interesting and keep praising. S/he won’t be able to resist. If s/he races passed you, STOP and say nothing – when s/he looks back at you, PRAISE, but DON’T command heel again. Keep doing this for several minutes. When s/he starts walking back to you, about-turn, so you’ re walking in front and away from pup, and start all over again. No matter how enjoyable this is to your pup, s/he eventually become bored. So we have to finish the heel-game before this happens. When you feel it’s time to stop, give a ‘release’ phrase, like ‘Okay then – that’s it’, clap hands playfully if you like, rumble tumble play for a couple of minutes while you praise praise praise. Exercise over. After this, we would work on left turns, right turns, figure eights, etc.etc. Always commanding heel ‘only’ when dog is ‘at’ heel, and never allowing tight lead. Always praising after every command heel and never checking/jerking/reprimanding. We would never use anything other than an ordinary buckle collar, or no collar at all. (It’s actually far more effective off lead). This will work with any dog, any age. regards Marilyn — http://www.angelfire.com/mb/dogtraining/homepage.html Turn negative to positive and be positive to learn – FORCE is anything that makes a dog ‘do’ or ’stop doing’ something without giving the dog freedom of thought, decision and learning. Good Dog Training is ‘Teaching a dog to behave by our rules’ Bad Dog Training is ‘Making a dog behave by our rules’. (being edited) You can also pair this with a secondary cue, such as "In, Heel". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The goal is the dog stepping directly right without forward movement. You also > want to practice this with stepping left into the dog "Out, heel" and with > pivoting to the left "Swing, heel" where the dog leaves her front feet in place > and scootches the back legs into you. > The way you are teaching the heel at the moment, the dog is learning "If I don’t > stay here, bad things happen." That can work! But a more effective (IMO) way to > teach heel is, "Staying here is way cool, I have fun, and the more I pay > attention to my hoomin the better it is." > The Dildei book, "Schutzhund Obedience, Training in Drive" is an excellent > primer for teaching this kind of heel. YOU become the most interesting thing in > your dog’s world, and the dog learns that if she does something, heeling with > attention and style, she can drive you to give her something she wants, whether > it be food or a toy. > Another person I know who does heeling work (Cindy Sidell) has often had very > soft dogs. She teaches dogs to love heeling who might not have a huge prey or > food drive. She does this by making it into a huge game. Dog looks away, and you > go "HA-HA! Gotcha!!" and with a playful slap or pinch, you sprint the other > direction. This produces a dog who wants to get into heel position because by > doing so, he is "winning" the game of tag!
– http://www.angelfire.com/mb/dogtraining/homepage.html Turn negative to positive and be positive to learn – FORCE is anything that makes a dog ‘do’ or ’stop doing’ something without giving the dog freedom of thought, decision and learning. Good Dog Training is ‘Teaching a dog to behave by our rules’ Bad Dog Training is ‘Making a dog behave by our rules’.
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