Exercise R Us

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Glad you liked a couple of the ideas. Vets & professionals should always be your first choice, anyway, esp. in an emergency. Stick around – you’ll get used to us……Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I play fetch with him almost daily when I get home from work > (unless it’s raining).  I think this is why he misses me so much > when I’m gone.  He also gets alot of loving and horseplay when we > are sitting around.  However, I was afraid of walking him in sub > freezing temps ’cause while I’ve got gloves to keep my hands > warm, I thought his exposed paws would get frost bit. I might be > able to pay my friend to let him out during the day… maybe > that’ll work- good idea.  Then I can let him roam in the foyer > again. Unfortunately, I cannot get home during lunch to do this > myself. > Liz and all others who apply- I still do not see how I could be > "asking for trouble" when asking for advice, unless it’s normal > for people in this newsgroup to go off the emotional deep end > rather than focusing on the task at hand. Think about it… if > you were attacked every time you asked a question, would you keep > asking for advice?  Probably not.  Luckily, I can see past this > hurtfulness, but I am unlikely to post any more questions or give > any advice to this newsgroup in the future.  I think I’ll stick > with the professionals- vets and certified trainers- who actually > give straightforward advice rather than "accusing" others of > cruelty to animals- especially when they do not intend to be > cruel, but are just following the advice they have read or > received from pros.  I love my dog and he loves me back-  but > there are indeed abusive people out there on which y’all need to > focus your anti-cruelty energies.  Good luck and thank you for > the ideas. > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I play fetch with him almost daily when I get home from work (unless it’s raining).  I think this is why he misses me so much when I’m gone.  He also gets alot of loving and horseplay when we are sitting around.  However, I was afraid of walking him in sub freezing temps ’cause while I’ve got gloves to keep my hands warm, I thought his exposed paws would get frost bit. I might be able to pay my friend to let him out during the day… maybe that’ll work- good idea.  Then I can let him roam in the foyer again. Unfortunately, I cannot get home during lunch to do this myself. Liz and all others who apply- I still do not see how I could be "asking for trouble" when asking for advice, unless it’s normal for people in this newsgroup to go off the emotional deep end rather than focusing on the task at hand. Think about it… if you were attacked every time you asked a question, would you keep asking for advice?  Probably not.  Luckily, I can see past this hurtfulness, but I am unlikely to post any more questions or give any advice to this newsgroup in the future.  I think I’ll stick with the professionals- vets and certified trainers- who actually give straightforward advice rather than "accusing" others of cruelty to animals- especially when they do not intend to be cruel, but are just following the advice they have read or received from pros.  I love my dog and he loves me back-  but there are indeed abusive people out there on which y’all need to focus your anti-cruelty energies.  Good luck and thank you for the ideas. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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OK, sorry about the sarcasm but when you send a posting like that to this group you’re just asking for trouble – its right up there with "help, my dog is having puppies in 20 minutes – does anyone have any suggestions?"  Sarcasm aside, here are some ideas, thoughts, etc. that might be helpful. 1. When you walk the dog before work (an absolute must) do you make sure he does both types of elimination – don’t leave until he does. 2.  Do you have the kind of job where you could come home at lunch time and let him out. 3. Is there a trusted person near you that you could pay to stop in once a day and take the dog out for a walk? (This might be a good one!) 4. What about my last suggestion of blocking off just one room for the dog? 5. Don’t expect to potty train with the crate if you are not there – it is a process that requires a partnership with owner and dog. Hope something here helps…….Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My vet suggested I return him to crate training after I told him > Chili had started to deficate and urinate in the foyer and > staircase where I’d let him run during the day.  I understand > what y’all are saying… and believe me, I’d love to give him the > freedom he deserves. And no… I am not doing this maliciously as > some of you would believe.  In response to the reply regarding > getting him accustomed to the crate routine, sarcasm is not the > response I was after (torture, etc.). Neither his the > handslapping.  I am much more humane and sensitive to others > needs than most. Breaking his spirit is definitely not one of my > goals and is not the type of person I am.  I am merely trying to > potty train him.  I simply currently have very little leeway > and access to the resources needed to pamper him the way I and > many of you would like.   But I have started working one day a > week out of home, although I feel it isn’t enough.  Now I find my > neighbor and landlord will not allow me to tie him outside during > the day, believing Chili barks too much at passers by, which may > disturb the neighbors and also possible harm to Chili himself- we > do not live in the nicest of neighborhoods. My friend and > landlord, on the otherhand, works out of home every day (he’s in > sales so he leaves only for customer appointments), so his dog > can go out and be watched at almost any time. > Anyway, how can I potty train him without the use of a crate and > without being there to supervise?  Otherwise, he will lack the > necessary dicipline and just continue to mess inside at his will. >  Eventually I hope I can get a home of my own to allow him the > space and freedom to run and bark, but until then, I have to work > with the rules of the house. > In the future, when y’all respond, please refrain from wagging > your collective fingers at me.  I am looking for solutions, not > verbage that’ll make me feel worse than I already do. > Thanks. > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I don’t know about anyone else, but walking your dog and bonding with him (by maybe playing fetch, etc.) is not pampering him as far as I can see. You don’t need any resources to do this.  It is one of the responsibilities we take on when we get a pet.  When you work at home the one day a week, how much time do you spend with the dog?  Is the dog in a crate when you are home? Lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My vet suggested I return him to crate training after I told him > Chili had started to deficate and urinate in the foyer and > staircase where I’d let him run during the day.  I understand > what y’all are saying… and believe me, I’d love to give him the > freedom he deserves. And no… I am not doing this maliciously as > some of you would believe.  In response to the reply regarding > getting him accustomed to the crate routine, sarcasm is not the > response I was after (torture, etc.). Neither his the > handslapping.  I am much more humane and sensitive to others > needs than most. Breaking his spirit is definitely not one of my > goals and is not the type of person I am.  I am merely trying to > potty train him.  I simply currently have very little leeway > and access to the resources needed to pamper him the way I and > many of you would like.   But I have started working one day a > week out of home, although I feel it isn’t enough.  Now I find my > neighbor and landlord will not allow me to tie him outside during > the day, believing Chili barks too much at passers by, which may > disturb the neighbors and also possible harm to Chili himself- we > do not live in the nicest of neighborhoods. My friend and > landlord, on the otherhand, works out of home every day (he’s in > sales so he leaves only for customer appointments), so his dog > can go out and be watched at almost any time. > Anyway, how can I potty train him without the use of a crate and > without being there to supervise?  Otherwise, he will lack the > necessary dicipline and just continue to mess inside at his will. >  Eventually I hope I can get a home of my own to allow him the > space and freedom to run and bark, but until then, I have to work > with the rules of the house. > In the future, when y’all respond, please refrain from wagging > your collective fingers at me.  I am looking for solutions, not > verbage that’ll make me feel worse than I already do. > Thanks. > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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My vet suggested I return him to crate training after I told him Chili had started to deficate and urinate in the foyer and staircase where I’d let him run during the day.  I understand what y’all are saying… and believe me, I’d love to give him the freedom he deserves. And no… I am not doing this maliciously as some of you would believe.  In response to the reply regarding getting him accustomed to the crate routine, sarcasm is not the response I was after (torture, etc.). Neither his the handslapping.  I am much more humane and sensitive to others needs than most. Breaking his spirit is definitely not one of my goals and is not the type of person I am.  I am merely trying to potty train him.  I simply currently have very little leeway and access to the resources needed to pamper him the way I and many of you would like.   But I have started working one day a week out of home, although I feel it isn’t enough.  Now I find my neighbor and landlord will not allow me to tie him outside during the day, believing Chili barks too much at passers by, which may disturb the neighbors and also possible harm to Chili himself- we do not live in the nicest of neighborhoods. My friend and landlord, on the otherhand, works out of home every day (he’s in sales so he leaves only for customer appointments), so his dog can go out and be watched at almost any time. Anyway, how can I potty train him without the use of a crate and without being there to supervise?  Otherwise, he will lack the necessary dicipline and just continue to mess inside at his will.  Eventually I hope I can get a home of my own to allow him the space and freedom to run and bark, but until then, I have to work with the rules of the house. In the future, when y’all respond, please refrain from wagging your collective fingers at me.  I am looking for solutions, not verbage that’ll make me feel worse than I already do. Thanks. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I walk my dog in the rain, snow, heat, cold.  Here in New England it gets pretty cold and my dog still gets her 2 walks daily, once in the morning when I get up and once when I get home from work (40 minutes daily). (Believe me, there are times when walking her at 6:00 AM in the freezing cold is not what I want to do but once I get out with her, it is great for both of us).  I play with her outside every evening.  She plays fetch and LOVES it!  She looks forward to this play.  I have never not walked her or played with her outside because of weather!  The dog NEEDS this time with you since he has been crated all day.  Put on a hat, gloves, coat and WALK the dog. Lisa   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > He gets out to run in the yard after I return from work to do his > business and sometimes play with my friends Wheaten Terrier. > They are both the same age and LOVE chasing and roughhousing with > each other.  But it’s not until the weekend comes that I get to > spend more time w/ him.  When the weather gets warm, I walk him. >  I cannot install a dog door as I would like, so he’s pretty much > stuck in the crate all day.  I do give him stuff to work on while > he’s in there, though.  I’m sure he’d rather be outside, as I’d > rather be home than in the office.  Can’t he get used to it?  I > thought about tying him outside and building a small lead instead > of the crate treatment, but if it begins to rain or if it’s too > cold then he’s S.O.L. > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Sorry, Stranded—-You say he had a 2 month trial outside the crate, then you returned him to much of his week-day life in a crate?  After a taste of freedom, I wonder how anyone would feel, whether 2-legged or 4-legged….. Critter’s mom Annette

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a one 15 month old Jack Rusell Terrier.  He is a great and > loving dog, though naturally very hyperactive.  A few months ago, > I returned him to crate training after about a two month trial > outsid the crate.  He knows the routine… goes in when I get > ready for bed, out in the morning while I get ready for work, > then back in when I leave for work.  Then, according to my friend > and neighbor (two family house), he begins to wimper and yelp. > This is not the only incedence.  He wants to be around me almost > constantly, and if I leave for even just a little while or am in > another room to which he is not allowed access, he gets ancy and > whines.  He and I have been in this routine since he was a little > 4 month old (when I got him).  Shouldn’t he be free of the > seperation anxiety by know?  How can I fix this behavior? > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Try leaving either the t.v. or a radio on.  Maybe if he hears that, it’ll soothe him.  I do that for my birds and they don’t squawk as much.  Don’t know if it’ll work for a dog, though, or not.

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I’d cry too if I had to spend the entire day in a crate!  Isn’t there a room in your house you could gate off and dog-proof.  I feel guilty if I leave my golden alone more than a morning or afternoon and she has the run of the house, a choice of places to sleep, windows to look out of and a cat to chase (or be chased by).  Crates have a lot of value but confining the dog while your at work all day is not one of them.   Liz (Sorry if this sounds bitchy but I feel bad for  the dog) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a one 15 month old Jack Rusell Terrier.  He is a great and > loving dog, though naturally very hyperactive.  A few months ago, > I returned him to crate training after about a two month trial > outsid the crate.  He knows the routine… goes in when I get > ready for bed, out in the morning while I get ready for work, > then back in when I leave for work.  Then, according to my friend > and neighbor (two family house), he begins to wimper and yelp. > This is not the only incedence.  He wants to be around me almost > constantly, and if I leave for even just a little while or am in > another room to which he is not allowed access, he gets ancy and > whines.  He and I have been in this routine since he was a little > 4 month old (when I got him).  Shouldn’t he be free of the > seperation anxiety by know?  How can I fix this behavior? > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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>But it’s not until the weekend comes that I get to > spend more time w/ him.  When the weather gets warm, I walk him.

Walk him anyway. I’ve dealt with college, then two start-up businesses (I was the one and only) and yet still found time to walk my dog every single day, rain or shine, blizzard, flood, you name it, he got it. YOu’re taking 30 minute a day, maybe an hour for JRT. You could probably use it as well. >  I cannot install a dog door as I would like, so he’s pretty much > stuck in the crate all day.  I do give him stuff to work on while > he’s in there, though.

Reverse your positions and imagine yourself in a room about the size of a really tiny linen closet where you can move around (in circles) but that’s about it, and being there all day and someone giving you a rawhide to chew to pass the time. Day one, you might be thinking, well OK. By day two you’re thinking, this is f’n ridiculous, let me out of here. >Can’t he get used to it?

Actually it would go a lot faster if you were to just torture him in a more cruel way such as daily beatings, drop kickings, lots of yelling and punishment and starvation, maybe cut him up a little too – totally break his spirit and will to live and then he’ll probably like the cage just fine. >but if it begins to rain or if it’s too > cold then he’s S.O.L.

This is a dog. Not a baby. Get an appropriately sized dog house and put a flap of carpet over the door and show him he can still get in and get out. The prebuilt igoos are cheap and insultated and would work fine. He will enjoy it outside as long as he’s acclimated to the weather (so he builds a coat), and put a cedar bed inside. What are your daily temperatures? He’ll be fine down to 20 degrees easily. Heck my golden was an outdoor only dog for the first 8 years of his live in kansas. He only came into the garage at 10 degrees and was indoors only twice in his live when it got to -20 once. cm

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He gets out to run in the yard after I return from work to do his business and sometimes play with my friends Wheaten Terrier. They are both the same age and LOVE chasing and roughhousing with each other.  But it’s not until the weekend comes that I get to spend more time w/ him.  When the weather gets warm, I walk him.  I cannot install a dog door as I would like, so he’s pretty much stuck in the crate all day.  I do give him stuff to work on while he’s in there, though.  I’m sure he’d rather be outside, as I’d rather be home than in the office.  Can’t he get used to it?  I thought about tying him outside and building a small lead instead of the crate treatment, but if it begins to rain or if it’s too cold then he’s S.O.L. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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> I have a one 15 month old Jack Rusell Terrier.  He is a great and > loving dog, though naturally very hyperactive.  A few months ago, > I returned him to crate training after about a two month trial > outsid the crate.  He knows the routine… goes in when I get > ready for bed, out in the morning while I get ready for work, > then back in when I leave for work.  Then, according to my friend > and neighbor (two family house), he begins to wimper and yelp.

This is a lot of crating. You did not mention his exercise program, or what you do to keep him stimulated mentally? A JRT with no DAILY activity outlet is a recipe for disaster. — Toni www.irish-wolfhounds.com Check the "Update on Steve"

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I have a one 15 month old Jack Rusell Terrier.  He is a great and loving dog, though naturally very hyperactive.  A few months ago, I returned him to crate training after about a two month trial outsid the crate.  He knows the routine… goes in when I get ready for bed, out in the morning while I get ready for work, then back in when I leave for work.  Then, according to my friend and neighbor (two family house), he begins to wimper and yelp. This is not the only incedence.  He wants to be around me almost constantly, and if I leave for even just a little while or am in another room to which he is not allowed access, he gets ancy and whines.  He and I have been in this routine since he was a little 4 month old (when I got him).  Shouldn’t he be free of the seperation anxiety by know?  How can I fix this behavior? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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